The Diet of the Mountain Men

[Tmdlkwd]

Fun little 10 page excerpt read🙂
Maybe a repost

The Diet of the Mountain Men
Author(s): William E. Holston
Source: California Historical Society Quarterly, Vol. 42, No. 4 (Dec., 1963), pp. 301-309

the-diet-of-the-mountain-men-william-e-holsten.pdf

[atomicspacebunny]

…And when no game was available leather belts, moccasins, saddles or rawhide straps were eaten; very nutritious and has all essential amino acids…lol

…or would eat their dogs when times were hard!

Despite all the hype on the internet about mountain men, ONLY exclusively eating meat (which does not mean it is a green light or healthy thing to do), is a myth, they ate plenty of plants, veggies, fruit, roots and berries also when available and were very barbaric, meaning they will eat anything that does not eat them first just to survive not because they had their long-term health in mind and a carnivore agenda or status on Facebook to uphold…

[Fangs]

I’ve read this a few times. Very entertaining. Humans need to do anything for survival just like any other animal out there in the wild. And these guys were in the wild for sure! This obviously also has nothing to do with a ‘carnivore or zc’ eating plan Just good historical info. I watched a special on tv about the Donner Party…wow. People sure had it tough conquering new frontiers!

[ctviggen]

It’s not a myth. Some Comanches ate nothing but buffalo. Did some of them eat plants? If they had to.

Same with the Sami people: they eat primarily reindeer, but will eat some plants in season. They use the plants to fatten themselves for winter.

I think you might want to stop looking through your “everyone has to eat plants” glasses.

[anon81060937]

Humans being obligate carnivores is more of a myth once we take animal migration into account. The most successful humans live on ocean coasts where fish are abundant and grow their own edible high quality plants. The most technologically advanced human societies grow their own edible high fat nuts while hunter/gatherers who subsist mainly on meat and poor quality plants are still living in their huts doing the same thing over and over.

https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/jn.00531.2017

Animal migration

Animal navigation

[atomicspacebunny]

It’s not a myth. Some Comanches ate nothing but buffalo. Did some of them eat plants? If they had to.

They are eating what’s available?

I think you might want to stop looking through your “everyone has to eat plants” glasses.

I have never stated “has” or ‘have’ to I‘m only suggesting that it is healthier to include plants because plants do contain amino acids; essential and non-essential.

[PaulL]

Humans being obligate carnivores

You are right. We are omnivores and definitely not obligate carnivores. But that doesn’t prevent meat from being a significant part of a healthy diet.

[Fangs]

But that doesn’t prevent meat from being a significant part of a healthy diet.

sure agree on that…

also it doesn’t mean plant matter can’t negatively effect us as alot of us know it does reek havoc on our bodies and science backs us up with plant allergy and more. just adding a little more to the rest of your thoughts for you cause it seemed like a good tack on meat is less dangerous than toxic plants for sure.

[OldDog]

I have never stated “has” or ‘have’ to I‘m only suggesting that it is healthier to include plants because plants do contain amino acids; essential and non-essential.

Where is the evidence that it is healthier to include plants?
I’m sure it can be healthier, depending on what may be lacking in a diet, but I don’t think it’s a given, that including plants in a diet is healthier than leaving them out…

[atomicspacebunny]

a given

Only if you believe in the concept of addition and subtraction? Spectrum and volume, and missing micronutrients?

As an example:

I could name three substances 1_____, 2____, 3____. you can only find in plants and cannot get from animals or other living beings that if you don’t get them, you will suffer from metabolic dysregulation indefinitely because they are what make fat cells communicate with each other via the PPAR2 pathway.

It would not matter what diet your on, keto or otherwise, and you will NOT burn body fat or just gain it all back again and on your way to being diabetic no matter what you do because those three substances are lacking (volume)?

I can say this, it is in existing foods (plants) people just don’t get enough of it?

[OldDog]

I could name three substances 1_____, 2____, 3____. you can only find in plants

You could, but you didn’t…

We can’t discuss your claims if you are not willing to make them clear.

[atomicspacebunny]

You want me to reveal all my secrets? It could be proprietary information and I could be under contract? (not really but what if?)

And no it’s not resistant starch…lol

[anon81060937]

via the PPAR2 pathway.

PPAR2 = PPAR-Gamma?

-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peroxisome_proliferator-activated_receptor_gamma

[OldDog]

PPAR2 = PPAR-Gamma?

A question for me?

We are still waiting for:

…three substances 1_____, 2____, 3____. you can only find in plants

…that would make an animal based diet healthier?

[anon81060937]

A question for me?

Nope. I like to fact check myself.

[OldDog]

I looked at the Wiki article.

What does it have to do with SpaceBunny’s claim?

Here is a paper about PPAR gamma and using plants to develop drugs for various ailments.

Natural product agonists of peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor gamma (PPARγ): a review

Nothing about healthier eating.

[anon81060937]

I looked at the Wiki article.

What does it have to do with SpaceBunny’s claim?

I think she means beta. alpha=1 beta=2 gamma=3
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peroxisome_proliferator-activated_receptor_delta

Anyhow. We produce our own cannabinoids called endocannabinoids during fasting and exercise from Omega 6 fatty acids. We don’t need the exogenous cannabinoids like CBD and THC.

-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid#Endocannabinoids
-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system

[OldDog]

I still see nothing about plants being needed for a healthier diet…

[anon81060937]

I still see nothing about plants being needed for a healthier diet…

PPAR pathways increase lifespan. So Omega 6’s, polyphenols, etc… from whole foods increase lifespan.

Polyphenols are found in plants.

[atomicspacebunny]

It is a combination of the three substances not just one, it needs the other two that creates the backbone of the network that is almost sentient and starts bidirectional communication between adipose cells so they synchronize symbiotically.

Imagine having a communication system consisting of nodes that cascade over thousands connections like the internet but no communication just a bunch useless hardware that does nothing but retrieve information (lipid droplets) but does not evacuate excessive storage bilaterally?

“…Breast cancer cells in culture form tubelike interconnections. In this video, payloads of molecules (inside blue circles) can be seen moving along these membranous nanotubes and microtubes, illustrating how they might be transmitted to a cell in need of them. Such connections may help cancer cells share their resistance to therapeutic drugs. …” …More