Tapping Out

(Mike W.) #41

Are you feelng tired or just struggling with sleep? I had terrible issues sleeping at first and was getting sometimes 4-5 hours of sleep per night but I was never tired. Once I accepted I likely needed less sleep on Keto I actually started sleeping better than I ever have.

(Dan Dan) #42

@K317H73

I think this will help :thinking:

“May the Force (fat adaption) be with you”

IF/EF Keto WOE is Self-Discovery :wink:

Good luck and much success in your journey in IF/EF Keto WOE :grin:

#43

You might consider trying an herbal supplement to assist with sleeping. I have used this and I perceived some improvement, it is fairly reasonably priced:

https://www.amazon.com/Organic-India-Peaceful-Sleep-V-Caps/dp/B003XN6XLQ

(Consensus is Politics) #44

K317H73, (sounds like a Ham call sign):cowboy_hat_face:

If you begin to feel burnt out on the same meal everyday, and I know the feeling, then just look up some Keto friendly vegetables to add to it, or even replace it with. For example, I actually got tired of Carl’s Philly Cheese bacon wrapped meatloaf after a while, well, actually it was my version of it I got tired of :cowboy_hat_face:. I used the basic recipe and Mande something new. I added a couple of avocados to it, formed them into patties, and ate them like little steaks. I got creative yet again, and made the patties extra thing so I could put two patties together with a slab of cream cheese tucked inside. :drooling_face:

On a recent podcast I listened to, I heard something about protein. I think it was on one of the first two episodes of the Obesity Code podcasts. Dr Fung was talking about some studies that were showing that the 1 gr of protein per kg of lean body mass is not necessarily fixed. It can be twice as high for some individuals. I think the only ones of us that can’t do that are T2DM. Because the extra protein spikes my blood glucose (even though there are those arguing that it doesn’t, it does 100% of the time I eat too much protein. :face_with_monocle:

The key factor you (in my opinion), is to just swap out your carbs for fat. Keep the leftover carbs under about 50 grams a day (and I have heard people can go up to 100). And don’t stress it. Cortisol is an evil bitch. (And I hope my iPhone didn’t autocorrect that into someone’s name here😶).

SLEEP!!! That was gonna be the only thing I was gonna mention. Wife distracted me and I was just freewheeling it until I remembered what I wanted to say… Sleep!

Go to Steven Tiberius Gibson’s web site.

https://www.grc.com/health/sleep/healthy_sleep_formula.htm

He is the one that turned me on to Vitamin D3, Keto, and Sleep. To be honest I haven’t tried the sleep formula yet. I always forget to look for them when I’m shopping. I have heard many rave about it though.

Steve is an interesting guy. He has told some stories from when he was a kid, and I could relate. He has a love of science and like to work things out for himself.

I highly recommend checking out what he did for the sleep formula. IIRC one of his SecurityNow podcasts was dedicated to it. It’s worth a listen. Best of all, he doesn’t charge for it. He just figured out the right balance and ingredients. And freely gives out the info. He leaves it up to you where to by the supplements.

(Karen) #45

I obsessed with tracking at first. Now I don’t. Getting it “right” and the fact that it was a total mind flip was time consuming. I feel your pain. I worried about sauces and flavorings, whole balanced meals. I kept everything pure. pure greens, pure fat, pure meat, pure boring. Now my meals look, and taste better. I just, don’t have starches or too many carbs. If I want a slice of tomato in my Sammie, it’s OK.

(Sophie) #46

Just a thought about the sleep issue…we just had a full moon. That always screws up my sleep for several days before and after.

(Ren) #47

How is your magnesium intake? Whenever I am lacking in magnesium I get the on edge feeling as well as don’t sleep as well.

Try making ketoade and having 1 or 2 a day and see if it helps.

(Richard Morris) #48

No worries. I get that. In my own case I had a pretty dramatic metabolic disease starting to show scary symptoms … so it was a lot easier for me to make some sacrifices if the trade-off was keeping my toes :slight_smile:

I’m not sure if I could go keto if I didn’t have diabetes and was doing a podcast, because it is a fairly hard core commitment, never to eat sugar or starch again.

I like that strategy. Although I am a bit of a foodie so it may be a stretch for me, but I’m thinking of going carnivore for a month just to see what that’s like. I’m also thinking about going keto vegetarian for a month to walk a mile in those shoes too.

Lazy keto is almost my last year - with the exception of the 60 day low protein experiment.

Yeah it’s an embarrassment how many things a ketogenic diet appears to treat … I sometimes feel like the guy from My big fat Greek wedding who thinks that Windex cures all.

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I think this is great advice. Prof Ludwig when I interviewed him said that many people can apparently thrive with just a low glycemic diet, although he said that type 2 diabetics (and probably type 1s as well) really need to be at the ketogenic end of the continuum. I suspect the number of people who really can’t do a ketogenic diet is of the order of 1 in a 100, but that the number who don’t really need to go keto may be anywhere from 15 to 45 in 100.

Yeah you and I both need Keto.

Yeah - you started a good thing I think.

(KetoCowboy) #49

I love @Richard’s idea of doing a month of carnivory and a month of vegetarian keto–and I’m looking forward to the episode of 2 Keto Dudes in which Carl gets to interview 2 Richards in one (a Jekyll and Hyde sort of story, perhaps).

Note: This is not to suggest that I have any interest in trying vegetarian keto myself. (Just wanted to get that out there in case Richard is looking for additional participants in this experiment. Look elsewhere, buddy–and keep your hands off my bacon.)

(Ken) #50

The term “Fat Adapted” is a huge misnomer. In actuality you’re not adapting into eating fat, but adapting out of eating carbs. This adaptation is the reduction of anorexigenic hormonal resistance states that accompany the chronic hormonal secretion patterns of lipogenesis. How fast it happens is hugely dependent on your individual degree of metabolic derangement.

(Gabe “No Dogma, Only Science Please!” ) #51

Exactly. @K317H73: this is what I was saying.

It’s not that being super strict is “bad” necessarily. I’ve gone through phases of strictness and really worried about getting into ketosis and staying there. But I maintain that the most rapid, easy fat loss I had was (surprise, surprise) at the beginning when I simply cut out sugar and starches. Frankly, that removes 90% of all that is bad for you.

That is to say, if someone like me who was drinking 2 Dunkin’ Donuts mint hot chocolates a day, eating whatever the hell I felt like, chocolate, cheetos puffs, cakes every other day for people’s birthdays in the office, if someone like that cuts out processed food, refined sugars, and starches, they’re bound to see a dramatic change. I don’t really think quibbling over having the occasional lentil, tomato, or mango is the issue.

Of course, none of the above applies to those with full-blown diabetes; I’m talking about people who are like I was: overweight and almost certainly insulin resistant to some extent.

(CharleyD) #52

You are well on your way to becoming fat adapted, but it’s a spectrum where in the early days in order to not have an energy crisis on a cellular level, alot of fatty acids and ketone bodies are flooding circulation.

Your liver is not quite as efficient as it can become in producing the just right amount of the ketone bodies. That’s why in this early time for you, the AcAc will be present in your urine but over the next few weeks it will taper off and not be detectable by the urine strips.

(Alice Smith) #53

This is why your not sleeping, your eating way too late at night. Try to eat an hr earlier each night till you get there. And your weight loss in the first 2 weeks is just water not fat .im glade you are going to try again , and yes try to do Omad if you can . Good luck

#54

Stating a different viewpoint is “aggressive”? Well, we disagree there. I can’t count how many people I’ve seen in the same situation on countless forums and many times never knew that many traditionally didn’t make so much work of the diet/WOE. After they did they did some research and it made it much easier for them. Not everybody, but some people enjoy the less stressful / less work way of doing things. If people have that info and choose not too, that’s their choice.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #55

I love the last line of that appendix to Why We Get Fat: "Avoid products that are labeled ‘Great for Low-Carb Diets!’ "

#56

I should of added that even though my last meal of the day is 8-9 pm i do not go to bed until 3-4 am.

My carb intake is never more than 20 g a day. Today i woke up around 1 pm and didn’t feel hungry at all. I ate nothing until 8:30 pm. While running around doing errands and going to the store today i never felt hunger strike me once. I guess today was a one meal kinda day, which is very strange for me. Is that OK to do while on Keto? All in all im feeling good and lost another 2 lbs if that matter.

My wife thinks being on this Keto diet isn’t doing me any good and wants me to stop. She thinks my body will get all out of whack. She thinks i just need to eat a sensible diet and forget this whole Keto thing. For once i wont be listening to her :smiley:

#57

Good on you for giving it a bit more time, sounds like you’re getting good results including appetite suppression and weight loss! A lot of keto folk do one meal a day (you will see it referred to as OMAD). I understand your wife’s concern, but is eating real, whole non-processed foods and cutting out sugar not a sensible way of eating?

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #58

Spoilsport! How am I going to have fun if I can’t make it complicated? :rofl:

#60

Funny thing is she has always wanted me to stop with the sugar and processed foods, which is exactly why i have done this. I googled some tips on doing that and found Keto. She just thinks im going about it the wrong way. Hopefully time will show her all is good. Ah that makes sense. I wondered what the OMAD referenced.

#61

Gosh am I the only one struggling with weight loss? I’ve been doing this 3 weeks and haven’t lost any weight. I eat 1500 calories, 75-20-5 (fats-protein-carbs), drink 2.5L water, workout daily. Everyone is saying even when they go low carb they lose significant weight.