Talk about a CONTROLLED study!

(Alec) #22

I think I can talk to this… for 50 years I ate what I was supposed to eat (according to the medical establishment), and I got fatter and fatter. About 10 times during my life I would knuckle down, get some motivation and eat less and move more. And I lost weight every single time… I was brilliant at losing weight, what I did worked every time…. Until it didn’t.

Eventually, hunger won, laziness won, carb craving won, addiction won, and the rebound was always great fun (I have eaten a lot of utterly fantastic meals in my life!!), and always ended up with me being bigger and heavier than when I started.

I consider myself strong-willed. And I think in this conventional wisdom driven paradigm that is a very bad thing…. I could battle my hunger and my cravings and my addictions for longer, but it meant more harm to both my body and my mental state. I was starving, and not surprisingly, my body found a way to ensure I didn’t starve.

Then I found keto and fasting, and that worked well… until it didn’t. And now there’s carnivore, and it is working…. And as yet (nearly 3 years on) there is no “until it didn’t”…. Yet. I am always very cautious with this… I have as yet got no proof that this is going to stick forever… BUT, this is lasting longer than any other diet, and my resolve is not getting weaker (as it always did before), my resolve is getting stronger, and stronger and stronger…. Not through white-knuckling, but actually the reverse: the ease and naturalness of this style of eating…. Why, oh why would I ever want to go back to the old way, the conventional way? Not in a million years, mate! Not gonna happen. I am enjoying my new body and my new way of life way too much.

So I don’t blame big people when I see them, because I was one 10 years ago, and I really wanted to be different, and I tried and tried and failed and failed… because the advice I was following was crap. I am now doing the exact opposite, and BINGO! So I know who’s at fault here, and it ain’t the big people.

(Alec) #23

Last week I made my own chicken soup for the first time: cooked up some boneless chicken thighs, shredded them in a blender, put them on the stove in a pot with water and stewed for 30 mins, added decent amount of salt. Result: beautiful real chicken soup: I’ve had it as is, and I’ve also had it with some cream added. Both gorgeous.

(Denise) #24

yes, the love of money, by all of the above :frowning: I have a new MD (since I moved recently) and I hope we hit it off. I’ll let her talk first, but I won’t stay with any doc who won’t listen, and work with me. I’ve got plenty of choices now, of providers.

(Denise) #25

I hear you @robintemplin, butt for me it was my fat waist mostly :joy:

#26

I have my own recipes now that I make when I need a “can of” condensed cream soup or canned tomato soup. It really can be duplicated quite well with lower carb and it tastes better. And if I wanted to have a knock off of Campbell tomato soup, I would start with tomato puree and heavy whipping cream. If it needed any added sweetness we have some good options for that with stevia, monk fruit, allulose, or erythritol.

We just have to be willing to take the time for the extra steps of making the soup first.

(KM) #27

Oh, I can make my own everything. It’s usually what I do, most of my shock was from trying not to for once (because of a gift I was given) and realizing how impossible that’s become. It was an eye opener for me: if healthier diet is going to be universal and accessible, it’s going to require cleaning up the easy options.

#28

I think a lot of this is due to our improved internal health and how our organs are functioning and our system at a cellular level is being healed. It overcomes so many issues that drive us back to the old way of eating. It cures mental health too and that alone impacts our choices and feelings towards our food and health. When you actually feel physically well, you can make and stick with better choices long term.

Sounds too simplistic how I just described all that, but it’s true.

(Denise) #29

I think the world needs a complete “Factory Reset” to get that KM :frowning: I personally believe it will get one but it’s probably not going to be what some of us might expect.

(Denise) #30

Forming good habits, that has soured me on “not” doing the right things for myself. I know I can’t be perfect, and cut myself slack which is how I would treat someone else. At the same time, what have I got to lose by telling others about all the improvements with eating right. This forum gives others opportunity to see “real” studies going on. I don’t even know if you have to have a membership to read here, I hope not.

(Denise) #31

It is simpler than a lot of people know, and well said Juju. It’s common sense, but you really can’t have that until you “know” what works. What works best is doing one’s home-work but for years I hated anything like home-work, now I’m practically a book worm. I came too dependent on others, especially doctors. Now I’ll form a partnership with them, but no one is going to call all the shots about my health. I know if I get hit by a bus, I’ll be totally in someone else’s hands, but that’s when I’ll be grateful for someone that really cares about people, not just their own pockets.

(Kirk Wolak) #32

When I first started this, I remember seeing a lady with her 2 children. All Obese. And the children were like 7 and 9 (unless they were just huge from caloric over-stuffing).
She had a cart full of cereal, chips, ice cream and full sugar soda.

I was this close “” to walking up to her and congratulating her for ensuring her children are Type II Diabetics, and don’t live past 50 without major medical complications. Like amputations and blindness…

But it was rural TN. And I did a second scan of the store and realized they were just an EXTREME example.

I truly wanted to say something “for the children”… Here they are thinking their mom LOVES them by giving them the “food” that makes them happy! Wow.

(Kirk Wolak) #33

Unfortunately… Food and Relationships are 2 things we are going to have to deal with… And yet, we spend very little of our formative years getting proper insights. Mostly because we use Mirror Neurons to learn such things. And we are inundated with poor examples of both.

I have a couple of re-married friends. And the ones that make it work are the ones that agreed they were part of the problem in the first marriage.

Much like the people who make it to keep the weight off. The struggle will always be there if you let it. You truly have to change (away from needing a FIX from food) to beat this thing.

Of course, as I get older, I know fewer and fewer people staying married. And the young kids are avoiding it like the plague. Unfortunately, I am not so sure their food choices are much better. But I am seeing more young men at the gym who either KNOW about carnivore, or are doing some low-carb program.

At their age. I was completely brainwashed into low-fat.

(KM) #34

I think this more or less every time I’m in the grocery store. Really glad my only fight with processed carbage is with myself, not the entire marketing universe beaming terrible messages at my innocent little loved ones.

(Bob M) #35

I think it’s the same now, at least through classical ways of learning “nutrition”. For instance, what’s taught in schools is low fat and the US dietary guidelines, which still abhor saturated fat and low carb. While there may be pockets of people (like those that go to the gym) that believe or at least acknowledge something else, the primary thrust is still low fat, high carb.

Until the nutritional guidelines change to at least acknowledge that saturated fat is healthy or at least not bad for us and that low carb/keto is a valid nutritional diet, I don’t see much changing.

I see people on Threads all the time saying saturated fat is bad for us, and some even blaming saturated fat (and red meat) as causing obesity. Ludicrous, we all know, but that’s because we’re living the life of eating this stuff.

(Denise) #36

That’s the worst, I see it every time I go grocery shopping huge parents and of course, what they eat the children eat. I think most people really don’t know how to lose the weight, or why they gained it when they didn’t eat that much food. It’s about the “wrong” foods. Even potatoes, and rice, are absolutely death to me with my T2, all the things I was raised on.

How is it we keep giving the poor nothing but carbs?? I mean I won’t so I shouldn’t say we, there are enough canned meats/proteins and that’s all I’ll donate. I have a cupboard with some of them stocked like beef, chicken, fish (salmon and tuna) and even some ham in case our electric goes out for a long period of time.

(Denise) #37

Tons of people that know me have seen me lose the weight, and NEVER gain it back, but they are still not willing to try it. One gal I don’t know well at all, was on FB bragging that she lost 80 lbs, but I haven’t the slightest how she lost it. I can tell you she doesn’t look healthy so I wonder. It’s horrible to see people starve themselves because they still believe “eat less lose weight” is the way. Meanwhile, their body can go into what I still call “starvation mode” where it begins to pretty much feed off our muscle mass as well :frowning:

(Kirk Wolak) #38

@Goldengirl52 I realized NONE of this is an accident.
When you find the AHA (American Heart Association) was funded by CRISCO.

When you research the AMA (Medical) and realize that they allowed “snake oils” as long as they got a cut. It was those who wouldn’t give to them that got Punished. You can read about Royal Raymond Rife and what the AMA and their thugs did to them.

Then how CARTOONS were used to sell junk food. TV shows that constantly revolve around the kitchen table, food, parties, eating. (I had to stop watching TV when I started Fasting entire days, because it made it much harder. Prior to fasting, I never noticed how much subliminal programming to eat the wrong things we were being shown).

Meanwhile the ADA (Dietitians) were being fed misinformation. I was in University when H. Pylori was identified as the cause of Ulcers. The medical textbooks warned that MORE than the RDA of vitamin C could lead to ulcers. Of course, the book was published BEFORE this finding. And even then, it took 10 years for Doctors to catch up. But the shocker to me was that I KNEW the medical textbook was 100% WRONG. I’ve taken 20+ Grams of Vitamin C/day when sick. To think a WEAK ACID could eat through the mucous that a STRONG acid normally doesnt… Bothered me to no end.

So, some of it is ignorance… Mostly of the kind that the average person has no clue they are being lied to, manipulated, coerced, over-medicated and cheated.

FTR, you know your product sucks when you have to MANDATE it. Or make people pay a PENALTY for not buying it.

It’s all corruption. And it’s everywhere. We see it in the foods because we went against the grain and it became obvious. Then we see it in the medical arena,
because doctors are supposed to be smarter than lay people. Then we see it in the areas where we work. BUT we fail to see it EVERYWHERE until we start looking for it everywhere. THEN we are Conspiracy Theorists! LOL

(KM) #39

… Uh huh.

It makes me think I really am crazy - who finds that many problems.

And then I remember Paul - the apostle, not our keto guru :laughing: - lust of money is the root of all evil. And then every “conspiracy” starts to make sense.

(Kirk Wolak) #40

Cui Bono? (Who Benefits?)

The other thing you learn quickly is that it takes MOUNTAINS of evidence to change away from something BAD. But BAD ideas are quickly adopted. Simply find out who is benefitting.

We went from the Food Pyramid to My Plate with no real science.
But trying getting either changed. Even with the science behind us, they
agree to NOT review any NEW science this time (FWIW, last time they decided
to ignore only a SUBSET (low-carb) of the science).

And that’s why they want to control the narrative. Because if the next generation grows up knowing Carnivore is good, and Keto works. Then THEIR children will not be swayed. Unfortunately it takes generations, and they had a 3 generation head start.

(Denise) #41

Someone said that conspiracy theories are no longer conspiracies, but truths that some want to make us believe are lies :wink: I’m more inclined to believe that more and more every day :roll_eyes: