Talk about a CONTROLLED study!


(Robin) #1

From NYT today. Study done with patients in the hospital for extended time. So all food intake totally monitored.

This is about processed versus unprocessed food, that’s it. And good enough. Keep it simple. The best way to begin a larger conversation.


(Bob M) #2

Any link to the study?


(Robin) #3

Hmmm… I’ll check. They won’t let me share the article if you aren’t subscribed.


(KM) #5

Try this:


(KM) #6

Unfortunately it still seems that the assumption is simply that we overeat ultra processed food, and the question is why. As opposed to the question is there something about ultra processed food itself that is unhealthy or linked to weight gain. Still, it’s an RCT, which is a great start.


#7

Duh, people overeat processed foods because they are specifically engineered that way - to be addictive. They know darn well what they are doing. That seems to be the easiest of all the why questions to answer.


(Denise) #8

It’s so accessible big money being made in those aisles at the store. A person doesn’t have to cook, just do a drive-thru, or pick up a can of something, or a bag of chips, instant gratification. The results are horrific, that’s enough for me to not look back after being “scared straight”, it’s just how I feel :wink:


(KM) #9

I wrote about this in another post, but I am really shocked that when I needed a minimally processed product for a recipe, it was impossible to find in the grocery store. Specifically, I needed 10 oz of tomato soup. Out of easily 50 varieties, there was not one choice without sugar, corn syrup, maltodextrin, soy lecithin, potato starch, canola oil, yada yada yada. I spent 15 minutes meticulously combing the aisle and finally gave up.

I did go home and make my own liquid with a can of organic diced tomatoes, some salt and a blender, but it seems to me they have made it enormously difficult, a harsh choice between convenient hyper processed glop (usually in convenient, non-recyclable packaging), and doing everything mindfully and painstakingly by hand, which is not always a best / viable choice. Frustrating!


(Denise) #10

In my last days before I found Keto, I remember buying can of good ole Campbell’ chicken noodle soup. I found 3 tiny pieces of what “looked” like chicken, but more like soaked cardboard in “maybe” chicken broth, and a few noodles for, but mostly noodles 9 (high carbs).


(KM) #11

I’m just tired of this myth that we are absolutely awash in “choices”, when truthfully all those choices, or at least the ones easily available, are a narrow band of options that are nearly the same and equally problematic for the most part.


(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #12

I do my own study in the Supermarket. I note the items in the trolley then I look at the customers belly size.
No need to publish my findings.


(KM) #13

It’s really a bit shocking to look at a group of people sometimes. At a dinner of co-workers the other night, a theoretically random mix of ages, races and sex with only a desk job as a common variable, 14 people in all, there were three who didn’t appear at least 50 and in some cases more like 150 pounds overweight. All three were older ladies - I guess those are the only ones who make it this long.


(Robin) #14

The folks I find hardest to look at are standing in the parking lot outside the cardiologist, smoking and often needing assistance in walking due to obesity.

Mind you, that was me years ago. I simply can’t judge.
I was unaware of my cardiac issues back then. Totally oblivious as to what my weight and addictions might be doing to me long term.

I don’t consider myself better… just lucky.


(Denise) #15

here’s another sad thing why people are stuck in a hugely overweight body, but are baffled because they are hardly eating anything. But when they do eat, it’s always the wrong things :frowning: I wondered for year, after I stopped smoking at 33, and gained 20 lbs and then got up to 140 and I could lose the weight. I used a gym way back then, walked on a regular basis, never lost a lb, not kidding and some of you experienced the same thing. After years wondering, boom, I find out about Keto/low-carb. Changing your body into a fat-burning machine instead of a carb-burner, what a concept :astonished:


(KM) #16

I always find it a slightly slippery slope. I want to do better, as far as avoiding acting superior or claiming I know what everyone should do and then they’ll all be healthy. But having so much pushback, and a lot of it very close to home, when I’m succeeding and they’re really not, is … challenging. It may be a coincidence that I’m eating this way and I feel great, weigh what I want, and have no overt chronic disease in my early 60’s. It could be luck. It could be genes. I might be a ticking time bomb. But wouldn’t one want to TRY and see if it might be deliberate effort paying off?


(Denise) #17

People can see what we are achieving but many just won’t give up their carbs, and eating fat is a bad thing which someone mentioned how we’ve been programmed to believe the false info. I knew one thing for sure, my way was not working, and it was getting worse every day. My diagnosis of T2 finally snapped me out of it, but I’m glad I loved the internet since I got my first PC. So, I started watching youtube videos, and googling everything I could find on alternatives to Metformin (I would NOT take) and found this forum. Found another, but it was Keto so I dumped it and staying here :wink:

Nowadays, we aren’t supposed to even believe our own eyes :flushed:


(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #18

Denise thats my story word for word. Getting a T2 diagnosis almost did me a favour, I’d probably still be massive. I couldn’t stand the thought of metformine. Pre the internet I’m not sure I’d have discovered Ketones!


(Denise) #19

I just don’t understand why the news hasn’t spread like wildfire and if the news is getting out there why aren’t people grabbing on to it specifically doctors and training to be doctors are they even taught about this stuff at all or is Big pharma holding back the information so they can make their big money on their big drugs and people complain about the drugs coming across the border what about the ones that come out from doctors everyday every hour of the day somebody’s getting a new prescription and it’s usually a prescription to fix something caused by another prescription


(Robin) #20

I call myself lucky because I finally heard about keto. Many are not aware. I wasn’t until 4 years ago. And funny enough, it was my ex-husband who turned me onto it…. After putting up with my fat arse for years.


(Geoffrey) #21

Absolutely a big part of it. But it’s also Big Food. They’ve both got deep pockets and they keep the pockets of politicians and the health industry full. And of course the right information rarely gets out there because the studies that get looked at are the fabricated ones the Big Food and Pharma have paid for.
That is why it’s so important that we stand out and speak out to our doctors and those around us. We need to be honest with them and show ourselves off as proof of concept.
Be a social deviant.