Starting carnivore again, diarrhea problems again

(Norm Murphy) #9

19 hours

(Norm Murphy) #10

And I’m now hungry hahaha

#11

ahhh yea I hate that afraid to eat cause us carnivores need to do just that and when it all works against you, we can’t win almost and it stinks!!!

Now the info I posted to you…the veteran says he doesn’t recommend eating leaner meats.

Now I am not a pill taker. I don’t supp anything. I am one of those anti-pill, supplement, even OTC stuff like anti-diarrhea and Tums or any of that stuff. I only do it thru I have no other choice type thing LOL

So for me, when I read what the veteran said how he handled it, my first thought would be I ain’t taking that crap supps for survival, I would gear toward leaner cuts of meat.

I would try something like eggs and chicken. I would gear at seafood definitely. Seafood is often forgotten but a ton of shrimp with a tiny bit of butter for sauteeing those delish shrimp is kinda how I would go at this.

I would rather take a longer time to adapt with less craps and fill up big time on a lot more leaner food intake then to take pills. (this is me personally, that I hate pills kinda gal LOL)

A big hunk of salmon and a very small burger patty as the ‘side’ dish to this meal.

So my thoughts are I would go this way thru it if I had to work and worry.

But it is a very personal way ya wanna roll and how you make it all fit in your life. It is a toughie for ya, I feel for you on all this truly. You have a way you wanna go but your travel just nails ya big time.

The craps can’t ever be taken lightly, I mean they nail ya big time when they want and they have no darn mercy. I knew I hated having it back then!!

#12

Mark’s supps and all. I don’t do anything. You can’t get me to take a pill other than I live on my sinus pills when I need them…LOL…other than that I would take a ‘supp for keto/lc/carnivore’ or anything like that cause that is just me LOL

(Norm Murphy) #13

I’m going to Sam’s Club today, great prices on shrimp and salmon. I will definitely start with those tomorrow and see what happens. Thanks so much for the help, I have to make this work. It’s the only thing that helps with my arthritis and cravings for junk food. I’ll keep you posted on any and all progress.

#14

Hey I got an idea.
Tell work you must have some personal time off, like a month, for medical reasons HAHA

yea yea I know that can’t go down, but it sure is wishful darn thinking right? heehee

So you are doing 90/10 burger. OK. Cool. I do even drier. I do 93/7 and I am longer term carnivore but that fatty in burger nails me, always did.

Also on your beef, you might, might wanna buy a few ‘filet mignon’ steaks. Expensive, darn right it is but in the end while it is super tender, the fat content is not even close to like a ribeye at all so…your beef you do buy and eat in smaller form as a combo…think surf and turf, heavier on the seafood/fish and some beef might work good also.

I think if you experiment a bit, find your better fat combo calculations for your body thru adapting time, you could experiment your way into a lot better situation.

And I get it. Your benefits from carnivore make you feel so darn good with helping arthritis and more…so you keep working on you best ya can! I am rooting right behind you Norm!!

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(Norm Murphy) #15

Thanks again, I needed this conversation. I have to make this work and with your help alone with Bobt I just may have a chance.

#16

hey sounds like Bobt made it work, I made it work and so many of us darn carnivores when starting had to make it work. The bathroom thing can put a damper on life big time, oh yea we all get it :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

You work thru it as you need to work thru it and experiment, keep taking your D pills if needed a bit and just bob and weave thru adaption time best ya can!

and when you get your seafood and all you best post how you are doing cause we wanna know!! We want to know you are doing ok on carnivore and working thru some troubles, we carnivores won’t leave anyone hanging out there alone :slight_smile: :slight_smile: We got ya Norm!! Between your working on you and us saying, go at it and fix it up best ya can, and hold stong,…we got this between all of us :slight_smile:

(Norm Murphy) #17

I will make this work I have no choice because nothing else has. I will keep you updated
Thanks your awesome!

#18

Norm, just wanted to say that I’m hoping for you to have good success with this. I was in the bathroom in the beginning too. No fun! One thing to be sure and watch is how much water you are drinking. For some of us, if we drink a lot (guzzling the stuff) of water that can end up sending us to the bathroom, especially if we drink a lot at mealtime.

(Norm Murphy) #19

Thanks Renee, funny you should say that I’m in Florida and spend much of my time outdoors for work and pleasure .I do drink lots of water and now more than ever make sure I have enough but not too much or salt or electrolytes. I think I do drink too much while I est so I need to back off a little. I’m really trying to make this work because nothing else has. Thanks for the advice, if there’s anything else you can think of please let me know. I’m really glad to have the help and support.

(Daisy) #20

I was just getting ready to post this. I have been back on strict carnivore for almost a month now. Struggled with terrible digestion the last time and it immediately started again this time. I finally took the advice of no water directly before, during or after a meal and the digestion improved about 90%. I had about a week of relief and mostly normal digestion. Until I went to a restaurant 2 days ago and now it’s back to terrible. But I started doing a fast last week, that I’m going to try again today to see if it helps. I don’t know if the one last week was a contributor to the week of good digestion, but it’s worth a shot! Last week was I think 45 hours. Today I’m planning for 36.

(Marianne) #21

Is there a reason you are doing carnivore? Do you have this issue with regular keto (carbs as low under 20 as you can)?

#22

The coffee might be the culprit. My brother claims that he couldn’t drive like I do because his coffee wouldn’t allow it due to the reasons that you said.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #23

I was tight with my carnivore starting. When I cut dairy out within a few days I had diarrhea. I haven’t used cream since last June. I added it back in and it stopped the diarrhea that night. That fixed it for me, I still want to get dairy free but I will wait till February and taper down. Hopefully the diarrhea doesn’t return. I’m pretty much Beef Steak like Ribeye or New York, or I slow bake a frozen one pound cube of grass fed 80/20 ground beef at 150F for 2 1/2 hours (fat is not rendered and meat is medium rare at 136F internal temperature, some pork butt, eggs and coffee. Had salmon and shrimp a couple times this month and then the added cream to my coffee and I add quite a bit. I’m doing a lot better. I’m not telling you to do the same but it’s working for me. I’ve dropped about 10 lbs since Jan 1st. And I was in maintenance starting into carnivore after a slow decrease in plants over two months to allow slower oxalate elimination and detox. My only condiment is pink salt mixed with potassium chloride. :cowboy_hat_face:

#24

Get your poo tested?

What I’m about to write may read as a load of crap, as that is what it is. :poop: It’s loads about crap. Probably more than any normal, busy with life, person would want to know.

The engineers who are infiltrating the dietary space bring a logic to problem solving. Ivor Cummins oft repeats, “If you don’t measure it, you can’t fix it.”

Especially on repeat episodes of an observed problem that doesn’t respond to symptomatic treatment guesses.

Poo samples can explain a lot.

Some rare/undercooked foods can set up parasitic infections that flare up with diet changes, but are persistent often camouflaged by quiescence.

Also going to note here that despite the carnivore diet, especially the beef-salt-water version, is touted as being an elimination diet for food hypersensitivity, it can also lose some of the innate therapeutic anti inflammatory effect of circulating betahydroxybutyrate ketones, if the diet formulation drops the eater out of nutritional ketosis. That is unlikely for a person carrying extra body fat, but may be a consideration for a lean person.

Excess fats in the stool or diarrhoea can create problems (hence digestive enhancers like lipase and bile acid supplements may help). But do that on the basis of testing.

If you have a functional health practitioner who can help choose, run and interpret the tests, that may be best.

Back in biology based studies and career (not human medicine) a single poo sample only gave limited answers for diagnosis. Especially if infectious parasites were cyclical in their shedding of their infectious form, for example. So I would collect a series of samples from the subject(s). Aiming to include the very worst symptomatic sample in the series. So, at least 3 samples, double kitchen zip locked (clear plastic so as to observe gross changes, like: frank blood, undigested food bits, foreign bodies, excess mucus…), refrigerated - as an aside the poo bags in the fridge reduce snacking psychology, but may negatively impact a share house living arrangement. The best poo samples to look at via a microscope are the freshest as they may reveal swimming organisms, or red blood cells and inflammatory cells before they rupture. Second best is that series of poo to try and capture the cause. Those 3 samples are homogenised and treated as one. If working with some kind of medical professional, they’ll advise on what poo they want.

Even before diarrhoea there may be some clues. Well formed poo stools (according to the Bristol Stool Chart) that contain some undigested fat (maldigestion or malabsorption) seem to float. Healthiness is equated with submarine poops rather than floaters. Basic home test. Too much undigested fat will not allow good form of the stool.

Always at the back of my mind and down in the depths of the differential diagnosis list is alpha gal protein hypersensitivity to consider for the carnivore diet tempted.

(Norm Murphy) #25

Hi gingersmommy, first of all I’m 56 years old and am in good health overall on nhi o meds at all. I’d been on a palio/keto diet for about four years or so when suddenly my health headed downhill. All my joints started hurting hurting, my knees and hands swelled and I could hardly move. My family physician tested me for everything from lyme disease to hep-c and even x-rayed my hand. I went through three rounds of bloodwork that only revealed very high inflammation markers that got higher each round. The x-ray revealed extreme arthritis, my doctor couldn’t offer any real solution so I started researching diet. I went on a whole foods diet and my arthritis improved almost immediately. The only problem then was uncontrollable cravings and constant hunger. This led me to carnivore, cravings and hunger are controllable but being married to the toilet is unacceptable. I have taken advice given by fangs and went with chicken and seafood for the last few days have my bathroom issues stopped immediately. This leads me to believe my body can’t digest and use a high amount of fat yet so I’ll have to take it slow and listen to what me body is screaming to me.so I think I’m on the right track thanks to fangs. That’s the whole story so what do you think?

#26

holy cow that is so wonderful for you Norm!! I bet the relief that has come with that nasty side effect being pushed aside feels wonderful.

All one can do in the ‘fat dept’ is experiment, use smaller amts, try different types and all and see where you fit in…also as you adapt more and more your situation could easily change for the better. Your gut improves and just keep switching things up and changing as you need. It is ok to maneuver any way you need thru carnivore to make it work for you at all times :slight_smile:

Good fat is important so experiment with like a smaller sliver of fatty type steak, little chicken and some seafood. A 3-way combo. You can slowly test your fat comfort level as you change thru the days.

Happy to see that report Norm!! Rooting for you!!! Sounds like you tackled this and things are going well, rock on!

#27

@Norm Even if you can’t handle a certain amount of fats now without supplements to help, you may find after a couple of months of carnivore that you can do without the supplements. I can tolerate rendered fat with no problems now but I couldn’t when I first started.

(Norm Murphy) #28

Yes it is a huge relief!!! It’s funny that it was such an easy fix, I was thinking too big and complicated. I’m in disbelief that at this point in my dietary journey that my body couldn’t handle the the beef i was eating with no added fat. Thanks to you Fangs I have a starting point that I can tweak over time as my gut heals and everything else adjusts. I hope over time I’ll be able to get to the correct protein and energy ratios that I’m sure will not only help me physically but also with mental clarity, mood swings and and irritability. Finally I have something to work with.