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(Carolus Holman) #1

Quick question to all the Experts, I basically do a 3 day fast every other week, however it is mainly a “Heavy-Cream” in the coffee kind of fast, I figure I drink about 800 calories of cream during each day. I still get the benefits of fasting. i am having a physical tomorrow, the Dr. want a 12 hour fast for bloodwork. I will be entering my 60th hour fasted, at the appointment time.

  1. Should I continue my Fat fast?
  2. Should I end the fast with Lunch today? Then fast starting at 8 tonight?
  3. I have read some notes on the Feldman protocol and how fasting increases your bad numbers causing your Doctor to freak out.

Tips? Advice? Anyone else run in to this?

Thanks!

(matt ) #2

If you get blood work during an extended fast the numbers are pretty worthless. Unless you specifically want to see numbers during a fast. I wonder if the numbers will be wonky even if you eat to break the fast. It has to take a bit of time for things to “normalize” again.

The proper fasting window for blood work is pretty tight…10-12 hours best I recall.

(Ethan) #3

I hope this helps:

  1. You should have stopped the fat fast 3 days before bloodwork
  2. N/A because of 1.
  3. Your results will be very tainted by this and not worth anything much at all. They could be terrible or great. Good luck!

Advice: Delay the blood test and either eat normal or employ the Feldman protocol (if you want to trick numbers to be better than otherwise) for 3 days prior to the blood test. Also, you don’t get the same benefits of fast when ding a heavy-cream fat fast of 800 calories. You get some benefits, I am sure, but they are not the same as a full fast.

(matt ) #4

Dave’s protocol is 3 days of really high calories…so I don’t see that as an option here.

(Candy Lind) #5

@EZB DID say to delay the testing …

(Carolus Holman) #6

I went to my Doctor (of 13 years) , First he didn’t recognize me! Then he did, then he freaked out about my weight-loss. He then labeled me a “Diet Controlled Diabetic”. Well I had my blood work done and here are the results!

Highlights: HA1C - From 6.7 > 4.6!
Triglycerides - from 155 > 71

Description Cholesterol Total HDL Cholesterol LDL Cholesterol Calc Non-HDL Cholesterol RISK Triglycerides VLDL Cholesterol Calc Hemoglobin A1C
Result 06/2017 225 38 156 187 5.9 155 31 6.7
Flags H L H H H H H
Range 0-200 40-60 0-99 <130 0.0-5.0 <150 5-40 <6.0
Result 04/ 2018 253 56 183 197 4.5 71 14 4.6
Flags H N H H N N N N
Range 0-200 40-60 0-99 <130 0.0-5.0 <150 5-40 <6.0

==== CholesterolCode.com/Report v0.9.2 ====–
…6 months on Keto (less than 20g carbs) ::: 20 hours water fasted…
Total Cholesterol: 253 mg/dL 6.54 mmol/L
LDL Cholesterol: 183 mg/dL 4.73 mmol/L
HDL Cholesterol: 56 mg/dL 1.45 mmol/L
Triglycerides: 71 mg/dL 0.8 mmol/L

–CHOLESTEROL REMNANTS–
Remnant Cholesterol: 14 mg/dL 0.36 mmol/L >>> Lowest Risk Quintile
Remnant Chol to HDL: 0.25 >>> Medium-Low Risk Quintile
Go to https://tinyurl.com/y8hokam2 for more on Cholesterol Remnants

–ATHEROGENIC INDEX OF PLASMA (AIP)–
AIP: -0.258 >>> Lowest Risk Third
Go to https://tinyurl.com/ycccmmnx for more on Atherogenic Index of Plasma

–CONVENTIONAL MARKERS AND RATIOS–
Friedewald LDL-C: 183 | Iranian LDL-C: 161
Total/HDL Ratio: 4.52
TG/HDL Ratio in mg/dL: 1.27 | in mmol/L: 0.55

I ran it through the Feldman Protocol calculator, I am not really concerned about the Cholesterol at all.
We all know about Fluffy LDL vs Small LDL. Dr. told me that test was $1200? Seems a bit steep to me.

(Candy Lind) #7

I’m late to the party, but CONGRATS, @Carolus_Holman!

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #8

That sounds very high to me. I lucked out and my insurance actually paid for mine. But I had googled and found some self tests labs for around $250, I think, I didn’t keep my notes on it after I found insurance did pay for it.

I even get another one in 6 months, first was considered a baseline test.

Are you trying to push the trig. lower? or the HDL higher? This is a very good result but the HDL is a tad lowish.