Shoulder tendonitis and keto or carnivore diet

(Shawn Patrick Malone) #324

I’m not a huge fan of dairy myself and my wife can’t have it at all due to a medical issue. I have found a non-dairy coconut milk greek style yogurt that is pretty good, I believe Silk makes it. I mix it with berries a few nights a week as a desert.

(Robin) #325

Anything can be seen as keto, if you keep your carbs under 20. Technically, It could all come from ice cream if that’s your choice.
I never say I can’t have something. I can eat whatever I want… I just choose what works for me.

And yes, I have heavy whipping cream every day in my coffee.

(Edith) #326

I’m allergic to dairy.

#327

I think for the first few months I’d like to stay strictly keto. I’m running out of variety for breakfast though.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #328

If you don’t want eggs to be part of your first meal of the day, then don’t eat them. Eat whatever you prefer, instead. The meat left over from the night before is a good way to break one’s fast. I’m at the point now where my first meal of the day is usually an hour or two after noon, so it is easy to think of the meal as lunch, rather than as breaking my fast.

Also, you don’t need to eat, unless you are hungry. I found, after a while on keto, that I just naturally want to get through the morning without food. Most days, I don’t eat until 2:00 or 3:00, and lately I sometimes find myself waiting to eat until the evening meal. There are always days here and there, however, when I want food in the morning and will eat then. I figure my body knows what it needs, and that I should listen to it.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #329

It can be, if you want it to be and enjoy eating it. A lot of people have trouble with dairy for one reason or another. It’s very individual.

I’m fortunate enough to have northern European ancestors, so I can tolerate lactose, and I don’t seem to have any reactions to the proteins in milk, so I eat a reasonable amount of dairy as a consequence. Others are not so fortunate, or they simply don’t enjoy it.

(Edith) #330

The irony is that I have no problem with lactose. It’s the proteins.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #331

The only rule for keto, and it’s not so much a rule as a “you’d darn well better, if you want this to work,” is keeping carb intake under 20 g/day (or whatever one’s personal carb tolerance is). The rest is more in the nature of tweaks than hard-and-fast rules.

#332

I find it difficult to know exactly how many carbs I’m eating daily, although I no longer eat bread rice potatoes and other starches. How do you know what your personal tolerance for carbs is?

Whatever I’m doing it’s working

(Robin) #333

Why does breakfast have to be different food than any other meal? I never thought that way.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #334

If you are in ketosis, it’s working. When people first start out, we advise them to stick to carb intake under 20 g/day, until they are fat-adapted. If they don’t seem to be in ketosis, then we advise them to eat even less carbohydrate, but 20 g/day works for the vast majority of people.

After people become fat-adapted, they can experiment to see how much carbohydrate they can handle, but by that point quite a few people decide to stick with the 20 g/day limit, because it works for them and they no longer crave carbohydrate the way they used to.

(Bill) #335

We need none whatsoever. I started from there and try to keep as close to zero as possible.

#336

Well then you must be a carnivore if your carbs are zero?

#337

I dont believe I’m in ketosis my weight has not changed. However i feel better the last couple weeks eating this way

(Robin) #338

If possible, try to just put your mental gear into cruise control. Keep it under 20 and don’t sweat the rest.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #339

Ketosis and fat loss are only loosely related. You need to have your insulin low enough to get into ketosis, for it also to be low enough to release fat from your adipose tissue, but a particular ketone level doesn’t necessarily correlate with fat loss.

Also, some people find that it takes a while for fat loss to get started. Women in particular often need a period of hormonal regulation before their bodies become ready to shed fat. Also, not eating enough causes the metabolic rate to drop, and that hinders fat loss. Many forum members have found that their fat loss didn’t start until they started eating more, not less, because the body wants to hold on to all its resources, if it thinks there’s a famine going on.

Lastly, it is also possible to put on lean mass while shedding fat, and this makes the scale unreliable. After my initial fat loss, I went through twelve months where my weight didn’t change, but I lost a couple of inches around my waist. Obviously, I was putting on lean mass while shedding fat. Since lean mass is a lot denser, it allowed my waist to shrink, even though I was putting on enough lean mass to counteract the weight loss from fat.

#340

For me also a loss of a couple of inches around the waist would be the real test. Even though I’m only a few pounds overweight.

Before I discovered keto whenever I needed to lose a couple of pounds or inches I would cut back on carbs and eat plenty of lean protein, That meant almost no fat. A couple of weeks in I noticed the weight loss and inches around the waist as well. However I was in the gym 3-5 days a week back then. Now that I’m doing keto because of the shoulder I’m not exercising at all although I do plenty of physical work taking care of a small farm with rabbits, fowl cats and dogs

#341

I am back! And I see you are still full with questions as usual :slight_smile:

well I easily eat 400ml greek yogurt or drink a liter of milk without even trying so yes, my keto allowance totally interferes with my dairy consumption (I usually don’t care, I go off keto all the time and it’s fine for me but if ketosis is important for you, dairy should be used carefully. unless you have tiny amounts and you eat little carbs from other things too. I easily go over 10g from eggs and meat alone though I start to think that part doesn’t matter a thing. but I don’t know).

It sounds like some level of starvation with exercise? That’s bad for one’s muscles… Or maybe you still had much carbs and the minimal amount of fat with a small need…? But it does sound bad. It may be effective but not ideal.

Tough question. We can’t really know that. Some people are aware when they are in ketosis (I feel exactly the same on and off keto so I don’t have that. I saw it on my weight in the past but as bodyweight tends to fluctuate and personal scales are unreliable, it usually doesn’t work. my weight is super stable and my scale is pretty stubborn so I could do that. but if someone clearly feels they are in ketosis, that’s useful), that and some experimenting may help. But as our ketosis carb limit is subject to change, it’s not even a fixed number. It’s safer to go below 20g (net?) carbs and hope it will be low enough as it works for most people.

#342

My concern is not ketosis it’s inflammation which has caused this “sudden” onset of pain in my shoulder limiting motion a year ago. It has greatly improved in the less than 3 weeks I cut my carb consumption, increase fat and animal protein consumption. Who knows if calcific tendonitis was the cause of my shoulder pain.

#343

Calves liver and onions lightly cooked in pork fat for breakfast.
Green salad with hummus and guacamole slice of rye toast for lunch.