Shoulder tendonitis and keto or carnivore diet


#243

I fractured (Hill Sachs fracture knocking tendon off) and dislocated my shoulder 3x in January '21.

Ultrasounds showed calcium in tendons too.
I don’t eat many vegetables due to lectin sensitivity and I do take K2m7 along with vit d.

Recent ultrasounds showed no calcium in my shoulder tendons now, 18 months on. Doctor said it looks like a different shoulder.


(Robin) #244

I am chomping at the bit here to emphasize the need to go keto for healing and then remain keto to maintain that healing.

I had significant arthritis, painful joints and inflammation. They gradually and steadily improved, to where I have zero pain and my last blood work showed my inflammation is at a .05 (the scale is 1-30). So I basically have no inflammation. Which means I have flexibility and increased range of motion.
When I have stepped out and eaten too many carbs, my knees and hips and wrists will immediately become inflamed and sore and stiff. It’s the best reminder in the world that this is NOT just a quick fix. It is the way I want to live my life. Feeling good and pain free.
If you return to your old way of eating, you will return to your old arthritic self.
It is worth it. Period.


#245

“But I didn’t crave various stuff on keto (I only missed vegs and fat”

Wait a minute. Aren’t vegs and fat allowed on keto. Isn;t that the whole point?

I’m eating fatty meats, and chicken, low carb steamed veggies and salad, after 9 days there’s much less shoulder pain


#246

How does your shoulder feel?


#247

Not that I’ve been diagnosed with arthritis…you still convinced me.


#248

There is some concern that a carnivore diet can lead to kidney stones and gall bladder problems. Do you feel this is justified?


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #249

No. The problem, at least as Dr. Annette Bosworth tells it, is that the stones that were already there start to shrink, and can become dislodged, and thus cause trouble. The new way of eating did not cause the stones, but is in fact getting rid of them. It’s just not an instantaneous process.


#250

Of course. But only a little veg (they are carby especially if one doesn’t touch green leaves. I always ate them in bigger amounts as they are mostly water, not satiating, easy to eat…) and I can’t just eat as much fat as I wished, that would be overeating. My overeating high-carb times broke my expectations, those times were done 11-12 years ago but I still daydream about eating much fat sometimes… But eating right helps a lot. As long as I can get satiated (and have my very high-fat day here and there), I am good enough.

Yay, it’s good news :slight_smile:


#251

I do eat a large salad lunchtime, mostly dark leafy greens, cucumber, green pepper & jalapeno, radishes, celery, some carrots, sometimes tomato and from time to time a little anchovy, olive oil and apple cider vinegar. Then I have some meat. Dinners include some steamed kale I grew, broccoli, cabbage and sometime some other dark greens steamed making sure they’re low in oxalates then more meat, chicken or fish. I may have a slow cooked glass of bone marrow stew I slow cooked for a couple days. Breakfasts are usually a couple of eggs, bacon and Italian style dry salami sizzled in the pan.


#252

@trucha

If you are comfortable doing so, would you be able to post what you’re daily eats are here? I am wondering if perhaps you’re not taking in enough healthy fat, if you’re getting hungry after a few hours.
I did also see in a previous post, your inquiries about eating bread (pita or flat bread), or adding in some carbs. My own joints are a testament to how bad an idea it is to add in any of that stuff. Wheat- doesn’t matter if its unbleached, organic, non-GMO…it is high in insoluable oxalates. Think “shrapnel from a grenade” on a microscopic level - in your joints. You may think that’s a bit dramatic, but let me just say- I’ve lived it - and getting that crap out of one’s system is not pleasant. Having to do it more than one time during one’s life leaves that person smacking their head, and asking “why did I eat that damn…whatever!!!” over and over again.

Depending on what your daily eats are, just add some butter to everything. I use melted butter as a dipping sauce for pretty much every meat. Its delicious. I’ll add it to coffee just for a bit of extra nom noms. If you need or crave something that is soft and creamy, trying making a steamed egg pudding/custard. So ridiculously easy. Equal parts egg and water (or chicken broth) steam in a pan of water for a few mins until set. Add some braggs amino’s for a salty dish, or a SF drizzle of Torani for something sweet.
Even a spoonful or two of Full Fat plain Greek yogurt is better than carbs, and you get the bonus of good bacteria.

Just don’t go back to carbs. This can be such a difficult transition, but I promise you, its worth it.


#253

In addition to the meals I just posted I’m eating plenty of fatty meats oils and butter. It’s just been over a week since I started this diet. More time is needed but my shoulder is much better than a week ago and I can only attribute this to my change in diet.

Butter is a great suggestion for some of the more drier less fatty proteins like grilled tuna.

What do you think of pre cooked bacon? One of the ingredients it’s cured with is sugar.


(Robin) #254

Oh, haha! I remembered pain in the shoulder. Forgot it was tendinitis. Oh well, I would still say the same. I have a torn rotator cuff from years back… still have it of course, but the lack of inflammation means I usually can’t feel it. There will always be less range of motion there, but it doesn’t interfere with my life.
BTW, after about a year on keto, I began using a rowing machine every day just to keep the old joints moving. Not in it for anything but to remain strong and flexible. I don’t go hard core, I just keep moving.


(B Creighton) #255

Thanks for that info. Before taking K2, I was probably just kind of hobbling along with whatever K2 my Bacteriodes made. There is some doubt in the literature that the body absorbs any K2 in the colon, but yet, they have found the long chain K2s Bacteriodes make such as K2m10 stored in human liver. It’s got to be absorbed somewhere since we don’t make it. I really had no idea that I was probably somewhat deficient in K2 due to my diet primarily being from grain fed chicken and meats. My germanic ancestors ate more fermented foods like sauerkraut, which has some K2m7 from Bacillus subtilis. The Japenese eat natto, a fermented soybean product quite high in K2. In fact they have somehow selected a strain of Bacillus subtilis v. natto that makes the most K2 known in the world.

I have come to believe that K2 is completely underappreciated by Western science for our health. I have no other explanation for what brought down my blood pressure. Anecdotal evidence by others such as yourself is powerful.


#256

Wonderful News! I plan on continuing with keto. Who can so no to fatty meats every day? I can’t. It’s like I died and went to heaven.


#257

K2 I’ll remember that! Thank you


(B Creighton) #258

Assuming that calcium comes out of your shoulder, it will be interesting to see how long that takes. Glad to hear your pain is already getting better!


#259

Drs don’t know what causes calcific tendonitits. I’m sure years of overuse in the gym did not help the situation. But thank you. Hard to believe a change in diet is relieving the symptoms. I’ve tried so many remedies like turmeric for months just to mention one


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #260

Ever since the dietary recommendations were first promulgated, we have been seeing conditions that were either rare or non-existent before then. Hyperinsulinaemia has a very powerful effect on much of the body.


#261

And they tell us people are living longer now than ever before.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #262

There is a lecture on the YouTube channel of Low Carb Down Under, by the medical director (if I’m recalling correctly) at Swiss Re, which is one of the largest re-insurance companies in the world. They, and the life insurers they re-insure, are concerned that the rise in life expectancy, which was fueling the profitability of the life insurance industry, seems to have peaked, and life expectancies in Western countries are now declining. They have come to conclusion that the epidemic of chronic diseases, which is what is shortening lifespans, is largely the consequence of the dietary guidelines promulgated in the 1970’s and 1980’s.

For this reason, Swiss Re and Crédit Suisse (which has a large life insurance division) are actually now promoting the ketogenic diet and agitating for taxes on sugary foods.