Severe Health Dangers from Plants~


#81

I did. It is by the entire read from Dr Kevin Stock as the original post.

thing is compelling evidence is showing a science path to follow, it is not close to drawing any real science facts and true conclusions.

Oh for some darn reason I can’t get that podcast to work and it is annoying me LOL but I am familiar with Dr Paul.

I truly think there is absolute facts and evidence and true conclusion that plant toxins effect the body. My first post shows that. There is science to back that up.

NOW after that there is a gazillion situations. Many who adopt carnivore walk in and find when they eliminate plant food they do well BUT THEY want a different lifestyle on their food of choice long term. So they add back whatever plant material slowly and see how it effects them. If they do well on some they obviously might adopt their personal choice and eat some. I so get that. We must do what we feel is best.

I am just saying so many physical body medical symptoms are from eating plants.

heck that guy in Scotland OD’d on brussel sprouts. He was on meds for another problem, ate up a big old plate of brussel sprouts and ended up in emergency…so…even little things like that are scary. In that grapefruit should not be eaten with BP meds. Fiber slows the rate at which the stomach empties, so it may slow the rate at which medications are absorbed, resulting in lower blood levels of certain prescriptions, such as antibiotics. Potassium from like bananas can be a bad combo on meds. Spinach, kale, cabbage and broccoli — for people taking blood thinners like warfarin munching on too much green can be bad. Vitamin K promotes blood clotting, which may counteract the blood-thinning benefits of anti-coagulant drugs.

So I mean if so many are on prescript meds right now, some foods are an absolute death sentence.

And why I say the above cause it is not a direct connection is that we are not dealing with a perfect world here. We are not ‘long ago’ when all was natural. We are so far from natural now it is crazy. So when we factor the real truth of this world, its toxins, its changes in chemical pollutants, pesticides, man made every nasty out there…….those types of things also sway my decision on what to eat. In that if the plants we know have troubles hitting your dinner plate…what does one choose? What they feel safest with and what science facts they hold more dear and will put them in a certain direction.

Break it down further.

trust your veg to big corps?
have your own backyard garden?

which is better? I choose the backyard garden :slight_smile:

So I mean there are levels of distinction thru this whole process of course.

I like this chat tho.


#82

Ah, OK, I see now. I didn’t click on any of the links in the PDF as I didn’t see any linked studies, but I do see that if I click on some of the hyperlinks, and then click further through to more articles on his website, he’s linked studies and references as “r” at the bottom of some of his posts. Got it now…


#83

I know, right? I am off clicking the links on your link you posted and following off on those links to other links and more…omg it can drive on batty for sure HAHA

follow the yellow brick road to magical OZ or follow the path to your destruction LOL


(Bob M) #84

Although mice studies are good for potentially explaining how things work.


(bulkbiker) #85

Key word is potentially and they can lead to some very incorrect assumptions so…


(Bob M) #86

True, but the protons thread on Hyperlipid is basically all data from mice. Without this type of data, Peter D. would not have been able to determine his protons theory.

Also, a lot of evidence against PUFAs (and for saturated fat) uses mice or rats. They test different diets, then sacrifice the animal to see what happened to their livers and the like. You can’t do that with humans.

While I think you have to look at studies in mice with a jaundiced eye, they still can provide very valuable evidence.


(Edith) #87

Just some thoughts:

I would imagine that we need environmental stressors to evolve. Giraffes wouldn’t have gotten long necks if they didn’t have the stress of having to share low hanging vegetation, for example.

People probably couldn’t handle drinking milk at first, but some groups evolved and developed gene mutations that allowed them to process dairy.

I believe some environmental stressors are helpful. But… of course, the animals with shorter necks didn’t survive to pass on their short neck genes. While the stressor may help the species in the long run, it probably didn’t help individual animals in the short run.

Also, many of our stressors cause damage by the time we are old and no longer reproducing. Those stressors are not advantageous to the survival of the species.

Like I said, just some ponderings. :thinking:


#88

I like your ponderings cause I have them like you also :slight_smile:
I was thinking sure some change and adaption to the body thru time evolution is more than understandable.

But like you the amt of what invades us daily does age and corrupt our cells so quick now. We can ‘buy’ a ton of things to combat all this trouble, from prescript meds to live longer and creams to take out wrinkles and more, lol, but at what cost when we do all that even?

Yea, when do the stressors do ya in vs. might help you?


#89

BUMP for new ZC people to read how plant toxins effect us negatively…this is a great read by Dr Stock!


(Bob M) #90

It’s a bit one-sided, don’t you think? This article makes it sound as if you will DIE if you eat any of those things. But that’s not the case.

For instance, I still eat chocolate, and if there is a detriment, I’ll be darned if I can tell what it is.

I even drink coffee and tea. I even eat roasted broccoli. Still eat some plants.

Are there SOME people who shouldn’t eat plants? Absolutely.

But the vast majority of us can eat some plants.


#91

No not at all.
It is what plants contain some toxins, as in ALL of them and how each body can react to overload of that or how it reacts physiclally in us and since we are all so individual, what one can eat simply can never be a cause of real trouble while another can’t go near it…so to me it is about toxins and the why it effects us…but yes, many should be darned scared of plant toxins. If you are one then ya know, but many can ingest low level toxins and do quite well thru life. Which one are ya in the end but the info is out there to know personal truths I think from the author. Personal life in what we eat is key here obvy. But toxins are in it all and each of us have to know us…thus the best way to start any and all cleaning menu diets is go all in elim. with meat first and add back, then we see truths for us personally. Meat has no ‘toxins’ to the levels plants carry.