Reasons to Limit Dairy?

(CharleyD) #21

Well yes, you can repair a leaky gut largely by staying off sugar and vegetable oils per Dr Shanaham, and probiotics at the same time can’t hurt.

Having read what I have though, as far as eating dairy, I’m becoming more picky.

(Ethan) #22

There are plenty of sheep and goat cheeses that are soft. Try Whole Foods or Wegmans if you have them

(Lesley) #23

No we don’t have those stores. I will have to get hunting and give them another try though. I just wondered if they were all a bit odd compared to cow’s cheese or if it was just a one off with the one I had.

(Lesley) #24

Hadn’t listened to her before. I have her up on youtube now :wink: Cheers!

(CharleyD) #25

Nasha Winters’s Metabolic Approach to Cancer first clued me in to Casein A1 and A2 differences. And I’m about 100 pages from more seriously delving into Casein in Catherine Shanahan’s Deep Nutrition, although earlier in the book she explains why pasteurization and homogenization are the worst for grass fed milk as far as your body treating it like it’s supposed to.

Now where to find raw milk around here… I’m in Alabama, should be on every other street corner, sheesh.

(Marie Dantoni) #26

I actually have it a 10 minute drive away, but I bet they’re Holsteins…sheesh

#27

To chime in on goat cheese, my mother lived on a farm growing up, and I guess she had a dairy sensitivity and they switched her to goat cheese as a kid and it worked wonders for her (but then again this was rural California and in the 40’s so I am sure things have changed somewhat).

Also, I have never been told I am lactose intolerant or had any other sensitivities to dairy, I realized its the sugar I am sensitive to most likely. My digestive issues always go away after a few days keto. So maybe for me cheese is not as big of an issue inflammatory wise?

(CharleyD) #28

Lactose is the sugar in milk :slight_smile:
The good thing is that the bacteria that ferment it will eat the sugar. And give us other nutrients along with cheese, cream cheese, sour cream, yogurt, etc.

(Ethan) #29

This has always been something I was curious about. Are the carbs measured before the L bacteria have consumed some of it? That is, if the yogurt says 10g carbs per serving, is it still 10g when you eat it? How about in your stomach?

#30

Dairy seems to be beneficial unless counter indicated. For those that want to geek out on the science:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122229/

#31

Interesting… even the Organic Valley brand sources from a mix of Holstein and Jersey cows, as does Kerrygold as they are essentially farmers co-ops.

I am fortunately able to eat any grassfed dairy quite happily, but I know I feel even better with raw cheese and raw goat milk when I can.

And then there’s this “While it would be convenient to attach A2 milk to certain breeds of cattle, the truth is even the Jersey cow, commonly linked with A2 milk, is often A1. Only a genetic test can tell the cow’s breeding; and some sources say there are currently fewer than 2000 pure A2A2 cows in the U.S. Despite the fact that Guernsey cows produce A2 and many Dutch Belted, 75% of cows in the world are A1. Most in Asia and Africa are A2.”

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #32

When the package says “10 grams (of whatever) per serving,” it means just that. If you dish the serving amount out of the package and eat that, 10 grams of that item is what you will be consuming. More or less (batches do vary somewhat). And assuming the label tells the truth.

(CharleyD) #33

I think I found the best of both worlds here locally. Can’t tell the breed, but at least they’re on board with our values.
Never homogenized, and pasteurized at the lowest temp required, grass fed and local:
http://www.workingcowsdairy.com/index.php/products

(Ron D. Garrett) #34

You’re in Bama? Me too brother!

(CharleyD) #35

My brother from another mother :sunglasses:

(Ron D. Garrett) #36

Yessir!! I’m in Harvest

(CharleyD) #37

I was always struck at all the rural land and grazing cows right up to the Space and Rocket Center :rofl:

(Ron D. Garrett) #38

@Dipper_Actual don’t live to far from there lol

(Candy Lind) #39

I’ll toss this in. Dr. Berry weighs in on calcium supplements. I tend to stall or gain when I eat too much dairy. I won’t say “lactose intolerant, but maybe …

(Beth) #40

Yep, my husband and I have been on the autoimmune protocol for the past month. I was keto eating tons of dairy for a year before that. The AIP cuts out dairy as a possible inflammatory trigger. Nothing has changed for me, but my husband’s chronic throat clearing, honking and blowing, plus snoring is now a thing of a past. Can’t say that it’s a direct result of the dairy at the moment, but we will find out when we try to reintroduce it at some point in the next few weeks. From what I’ve read a lot of people following AIP can never reintroduce dairy and some do fine on goat milk and cheese.

Fascinating about the A1 & A2… I live in dairy country, I need to find out more about my local cows!