@adorfaru. My sister is a surgeon and has had some patients come in after eating keto for a long time where their gut has basically stopped working. Now, they weren’t eating any veggie etc. so I would have to guess they had severe malnutrition. They all died.
Eat veggies with your butter people.
So I would like to have you elaborate. Was it no fiber? Was it lack of nutrients? I have seen zero carb accounts where people eat only meat. This type of stuff is enough to make a newbie like myself be scared off.
What you have to realize is that when people want to talk about the negatives of a diet, they’ll find the very worst possible case of something horrible that happened to someone somewhere and whether it’s really accurate or not, they’ll harp on that till the cows come home, “so there, you should never, never, never eat like that.” They won’t bother mentioning people who do well eating a very similar diet.
Also, the diet that people talk about here as “ketogenic” covers a lot of territory. There are people in that category that eat NO vegetables at all. There are also people in that category that eat NO meat at all. Get where I’m going? Just using the word “ketogenic” can be so broad in it’s meaning that it may not even be all that useful of a term.
A person can be a “vegetarian” and eat lots of really good, fresh, whole foods fresh from the garden. A person can also be just as much a “vegetarian” eating potato chips and chugging the ol’ Mountain Dew. But hey, they’re both “vegetarian”.
No matter where you fall on the scale of carnivore or herbivore, eat good food. Get appropriate levels of vitamins and minerals, protein and fat. Leave the junk behind. There is a lot of room for interpretation in that.
Oh, and don’t get too excited about the tabloid type articles that have to tell you about whatever diet or what the latest study says. Dr. Oz has a new set of those every day and you’ll go nuts if you try to make gospel of every one of them. If keto works for you, roll with it. Most of us here are in that group… keeping calm and ketoing on.
Err, what? I think your sister is trying to scare you or something. There’s plenty of nutrients in lots of foods, vegetables don’t have the monopoly on nutrients
Unknown what the problem was with these long term keto’ers (10+ years). To be fair to the doctors, almost no one has their intestines shut down, so I don’t think they even know what to check for. Super rare, but ignoring it isn’t the thing to do.
You will feel much better on a keto diet. Your brain knows what’s best. It’s not any more complicated than that. (Granted your brain will surely complain at first). If you are worried at all, you can eat all the green non-starchy veggies your heart desires. Seriously, pounds of food. Don’t skip this part. I eat like 10 times more veggies now than I did.
Nearly every AI disease/issue is made better or is fixed by a keto diet. I don’t know how to argue against that one.
I’m scared of dying.
My sister didn’t even venture a guess on the problem but did mention they didn’t particularly eat a well rounded diet. Feel free and ignore my guess on the problem. I can be easy to eat a non nutritious keto diet, I’m sure.
Ignoring that some people do poorly on keto isn’t wise either.
The Stefansson experiment in the 1920’s disappointed the researchers, because Stefansson and Andersen failed to develop scurvy as expected. Turns out they were able to get all the micronutrients they needed from the meat they were eating. (The key is apparently to eat lots of organ meat.) And of course, the experiment was intended to disprove Stefansson’s contention that the Inuit ate a diet exclusively of meat, a diet on which anyone could successfully live.
While it’s true that there hasn’t been the kind of high-quality study of the ketogenic diet that there needs to be, the same is also true of every other way of eating out there, especially the SAD.
So you’re saying that your sister had multiple patients who were “eating keto” and their gut stopped working, and every single one of them died?
Granted, death is pretty much inevitable, but the implication is they all died from this complication that your sister believes was caused by their diet.
Sorry, but I find this astonishingly hard to believe. Statistically, if this one surgeon had encountered multiple patients whose keto caused complications that could not be corrected and resulted in death, we would almost certainly be aware of more deaths from keto. It stands to reason then that something else is at work here, or your sister is being less than truthful in hopes of scaring you off of keto.
We are all going to die…eventually. No getting around that one.
A “well rounded diet” is a meaningless noise, given that we do not have randomized, controlled studies to back any particular way of eating. What we have is plentiful data from doctors who have and are treating patients with LCHF/Keto and reversing obesity, T2DM, and getting patients off of medications. Patients who, prior to going LCHF were becoming sicker and more obese despite eating what they would probably call “a well rounded diet.”
You are correct to observe that not everyone will thrive on keto. But a great many people are getting fatter and sicker eating copious amounts of carbs.
What does ‘RDN’ stand for - nurse or doctor of nutrition? They have a lot to answer for here. They have ruled out some very healthy and sustainable ways of eating that actually work for the readers of readers digest - usually lower economic group. What’s left for these poor souls - SAD? We all know how effective that it!
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@devhammer. Geez a little sensitive over the keto thing I see.
I was just adding to the conversation.
I ate keto before. I still eat keto. Seems the best way to keep insulin down and stay healthy.
I didn’t tell anyone to draw any conclusion from a few deaths out of 7 billion people.
Relax dude
You can’t just come on here and make random statements like that and not expect backlash. Are you just trolling?
I have a hard time understanding this either implausible or impossible scenario you outline. It can’t be refeeding syndrome I dont think as the people were eating - NOT fasting. We’d love to hear it first hand from your sister so we could ask more focused questions. In the meantime, with literally millions of people “doing keto” … the small number of deaths that just your sister reports (and no one else) vs the millions doing it … 3 deaths in a million is quite safe. People who live in Montana have a 1/4000 chance of dying in a car. Cars are risky. Keto safe.
great idea.
I prefer to eat bacon with my butter, thanks! 
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