POLL: What is your opinion about lazy keto?

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#42

No. I eat at home, avoid PUFA oils and go for fatty cuts of meat plus eggs or cheeses, cook with butter, bacon grease or avocado oil depending on temperature. Fatty coconut milk for a good curry. Some olive oil for cold things. Some heavy cream in coffee. Only packaged food I consume regularly would be dark chocolate. Oh, and I make bone broth from scraps and chicken parts.
I like nuts and pepitas, maybe some unsweetened cocconut but mostly don’t eat a lot of plants. I had some home made cole slaw a few days last week.

(Randy) #43

I skip breakfast. The time varies. On work days, I don’t eat my first meal until I get home. I usually have a smaller meal around 7PM. That would be between 2:30 PM and 3:30 PM. On days off, I usually eat lunch around noon, and dinner around 6PM. I also usually OMAD a few times a month.

So somewhere between 14 and 20 hours. No set pattern.

(Hamz Edward) #44

I’m so glad you’re not combining lazy keto with dirty keto like a lot of people do.

A lot of people who practice dirty keto don’t mind eating trans fats and all kinds of bad quality foods as long as they keep their carbs below 20 grams per day. It may work for weight loss, but it can increase the risk of other health problems such as inflammation, insulin resistance, and metabolic syndrome.

(Hamz Edward) #45

Wow! Did you find it easier to do IF in your beginning days on keto or after becoming fat adapted?

(Dirty Lazy Keto'er, Sucralose freak ;)) #46

Haven’t counted anything but carbs, to stay below 20 or 30gms a day. Trying to be reasonable with proteins, and trying to eat more fats… But not really counting. Losing weight already (only 3wks in) and feel great :slight_smile:

(Ian) #47

Lazy clean Keto here.

For the first 3-4 months I read labels religiously and counted carbs (net and total), almost to obsession. Then I got lazy and could not be bothered anymore, mainly because my BG and GK levels confirmed that I had remained steadily in ketosis during this learning phase. The blood testing also indicated that I could drift upwards of as much as 50-60 g of carbs per day (for a single day, not multiple consecutive and not highly processed carbs), without being knocked out of ketosis. Therefore, I believe I have a pretty comfortable margin for error and have relaxed and only check BG/BK approximately every month or if I experiment with different foods or meals.

Instead of Lazy Keto (which actually describes my personal circumstances perfectly), it could be Relaxed Keto, Chilled Keto or Non-obsessional Keto,

(Steak and iron) #48

lazy keto is really the only sustainable keto. Nobody is going to track their macros (even their carbs) every day for the rest of their lives. You develop eating patterns and just eat that way 99% of the time.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #49

I was pretty darned strict while losing. But for over two years now I have been using Lazy Keto. I don’t log, I just know what I should eat and what not to eat. 99.9% of the time, I eat stuff I know is good for me and is keto. I have learned I can stay in ketosis at nutritional levels most of the time without giving it a second thought and sometimes I do eat enough carbs to be in the 50g range, but I just as often eat below 20g.

(Kirk Wolak) #50

I don’t do Lazy Keto, but don’t see a reason.
My carb limit is insanely low (5g/day), so I can’t by lazy.
Hot dogs have enough carbs to screw me over!

Comedic Rant:

I’m so far beyond carb sensitive…
I get knocked out of ketosis with SMELLING SALTS!

I thought about eating 5 minutes ago. My glucose jumped to 100.
It’s back down to 91, and it seems kinda pissed!

I’m so carb sensitive…
I have to count the carbs in the connective tissue on a carnivore diet!

So, I wish I could really do Lazy keto.
Kinda HAPPY I cannot do DIRTY Keto. (Was sad at first, until I learned it didn’t involve a partner and Coconut Oil) :slight_smile:

#51

Disclaimer: I have feelings.

Whenever people start talking about how you do keto I think of Dr. Eric Westman and Gary Taubs. Their videos were some of the first I saw. Westman says things like “it’s just food.” He also talks about how some people in his clinic see results eating super clean and some people using fast food. I also appreciate calling this not “keto” but this “way of eating (WOE)” because that’s what it is. Taubes also never calls it keto, he just talks about how insulin in a hormone that makes you fat and some people get fat easier, so eat in a way that wont make you fat. Shut off the mechanism that makes you gain fat in the wrong places and in the wrong amounts.

It’s not that you have to be in ketosis I guess generally because just by not having carbs/sugars your body remembers how to function properly in a metabolic sense. If someone just ate this way naturally because that’s how they were raised, they probably wouldn’t call it keto or low carb, they would just be like this is what I eat.

I think there is some danger in the tribalism associated with “diet” terms like “keto,” just in the nature of labeling it “something.” It is now labeled as keto and with that comes with some negative connotations because people see it as an extreme diet. This WOE at its core is a WOE to not gain weight and maintain health. it’s just how I eat, or you eat, and we eat to maintain health. There is nothing good or bad about it. It works for us.

So now we label keto as different types of keto based on how “committed” or “strict” you are. This is just how I eat. I don’t eat foods that I know make me fat.

Okay, I am done with my feelings for now. :rofl:

#52

OMG you guys, I think I just thought of my Sociology Masters thesis topic. How labeling of diets can impact us in the way we interact with other people. Holy carpal tunnel!

(Randy) #53

Skipping breakfast was easy for me. Lucky I guess. I did bring lunch to work for a while. Decided to skip it one day, and it was fine. It’s a time and money saver.

#54

This thread makes me so damn proud!

(Doug) #55

I don’t really see the tracking or not tracking as making for “lazy” or not, though I guess it could be so. Personally, “lazy” is when I just give in and go off-program, like really, brutally failing on the carb restriction.

I’ve never tracked anything, but good days are meat, eggs, cheese - that kind of stuff, maybe some above-ground vegetables in a quantity that I know doesn’t amount to enough carbs to worry about; I’m gonna stick with the 20 grams or less deal. When I screw up - I know it, I don’t kid myself, and tracking everything wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference for me.

Not at all saying that “tracking is bad.” Lots of us love the data, and keeping it, tracking it, analysing it…

(Hamz Edward) #56

:grin: I like that you’re paying attention to food quality.

(Hamz Edward) #57

True. It’s a great way to make keto work in the long run as long as we don’t combine it with dirty keto.

(Hamz Edward) #58

:joy::wave:

#59

I’ve been tracking every bite I put into my mouth for five months and don’t find it the least bit bothersome and entirely sustainable. It’s just an easy routine for me. Far easier than trying to get some exercise every day (even a 15-minute walk) and I’ve been trying to do that every day for four months. Personally, I find tracking everything I eat to be far more sustainable than not, because it helps me continue to progress towards my goals. When I don’t track, then I’m off plan (not sustaining this way of eating) far too quickly.

I don’t know that I’m going to keep this up for every day for the rest of my life. But I anticipate doing it throughout weight loss and certainly into maintenance for a long while. The thought of it doesn’t cause me the slightest concern. But I also really believe that we all need to go about keto in the way that’s most sustainable for us personally–and for some people just the idea of tracking anything makes them want to give up. And if they’re successful that way, then there’s no reason for them to do it.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #60

Exercise fascinates me—I could sit and watch it for hours. When I get the urge to exercise myself, I simply lie down until it passes (with apologies to Mr. Twain :grin:).

(Brian) #61

Interestingly, that mindset is not unique to the keto world.

In the vegan world, there are those who like to tell us that a bag of potato chips and a mountain dew is vegan. And technically, they’re right. But it’s junk food… and both things I would have eaten a bunch of at certain times before keto.

We have junk food in keto, too. Processed oils are probably among the worst, technically keto, but stuff we really should not be consuming.

I will admit that I do have some keto junk oils on occasion. But I don’t generally have it in the house so it would be stuff I’d get when out to eat or somewhere that I have little control over what’s on the menu. I don’t spend much time worrying about the occasional. But as far as what’s in the pantry, it’s coconut oil, avocado oil, olive oil, and in the fridge, butter. And I don’t feel like I “do without” anything. They’re all a little different and they all have a place in my lazy keto way of eating. :wink: