That was just a crap joke…only I knew the context.
Sorry.
Perfect Health - Would You Still Follow Keto/Carnivore Diet
velvet
#43
The other question is, if you had one month to live and it were set in stone, no escaping it, would you still do Keto?
While I would Keto on once I had reached perfect health (if that even exists), If I knew my expiration date was close, I would likely pig out on chocolate cake and ice-cream and chocolate truffles and…But I would still eat my bacon, 
Geoffrey
(Geezy)
#44
Perfect health? I would still be a big meat eater but yes, I’d eat many more carbs.
I would not pass up Birria Tacos, pizza (my favorite food), my daughter’s cheesecakes (the best in the world) and last but not least, Bluebell ice cream (any Texans on here will understand ).
Shinita
#45
That is… More difficult. I need to think about it.
I am sure I mostly would do keto, of course, I possibly would be pretty much devastated either way but the last thing I would want to feel bad due to sugar poisoning. It’s not nice.
Even if I would feel great anyway, I would avoid added sugar as I don’t like it and I would want to eat just food I really love. If I went for big amounts for maximum joy (probably despite it’s such a wasteful month when I don’t even need nutrients for long), I would probably need some carbs but they should have been starches. I can’t replace starches while xylitol is way tastier than table sugar. True, coconut sugar and honey are even way tastier…
I probably would do whatever I do now except with fancier items here and there and using bigger amounts.
And there would be mangoes. Mangoes are amazing.
But I ate so much enjoyable food all my life. Maybe I would focus on other things, not eating.
So, sugary desserts would be a huge waste as keto desserts are even better. But we can’t make all desserts keto… I probably would get sugar free cakes from pros 
My old favs I just abandoned when I went low-carb as it would have been a too big hassle to try to make it low-carb. But replacing sugar with some sweetener would make them significantly better. I wouldn’t want to waste my tiny remaining food allowance on sugar anyway. It may make me hungrier but I still have an energy intake limit. And all carbs make me hungrier so I would go for breads. I like them even though I don’t need them and I easily had breadless years when I went low-carb.
I would buy my fav seafood and the best home-raised chicken. That is tasty and seafood is probably not very satiating while chicken is surely not so. Not needing carbs for eating a ton, sweet! They would be nice on my very low-carb days.
Right now I am bored of chocolate so I would eat much of it if my month would happen now. But give me more some on/off carnivore years and I won’t be interested much in chocolate anyway, I already barely am.
I would buy a bottle of Glenlivet and would make a serious attempt at drinking it all in a month.
And I would try steak. I always was a bit curious how it tastes. I would visit a steakhause and would try tenderloin, ribeye and t-bone steaks. Even the 600g steak with eggs and bacon on the side.
Do I have some more dishes I wanted to try in my life I wonder…
Lamb liver! And all the organs I can get and possibly like (I don’t want lungs or kidney)… Veal, never had veal and it’s even easy to get from the not too far away farm. If they happen to butcher one in that month.
All my pork would come from the nearby pig farm… Okay maybe stratch my old fav cakes, I got bored of cakes on keto years ago and I want to eat more pork. No, I can stuff myself with pork then eat some cake and I will be hungry for more meat again, it would work. But I probably couldn’t do that every day…
I would buy my last liter of 100% multivitamin juice (with mango in it), freeze it and eat it in its lovely icy way. No, I would buy multiple liters and I would eat only the center, that is the soft lovely though a bit sugary part. The outer sides are too hard and more watery.
I wouldn’t eat bacon for sure 
But I would eat a little deer. I mean, a little amount, not a whole little deer.
And I would eat scratchings galore. Well, as much as I could without boredom. And pork chuck roasts.
I surely would eat honey (my old fav cakes have honey too, at least one of them but I would have made the other honeyed too, they both have walnuts and walnuts are great with honey) but not much.
Wine? Nope. Other booze than my Glenlivet? Okay, I would try Laphroig but I probably couldn’t appreciate it at this point. Maybe I would go to a bar and try things… And I totally would visit a Belgian Beer Pub. I did it before and I have nice memories.
I am still very sure many of my days would be keto but clearly not all of them. I NEVER have a fully keto month… I got close as my off days are usually keto (my on days are close to carnivore and carby dishes aren’t so tempting, usually… sometimes they are, usually not).
Eating whatever I want (with the knowledge of my circumstances, planning a long future) and eating whatever I want knowing I only have that last month is different even with ensured perfect health. So my month would be quite different from a normal month of mine (where I actually think keto is a bit better for my health but I don’t believe in a big difference. maybe after several decades). That last month would be special, not something I would want to do forever. All my still-favs in it, except maybe some I had so many times that I don’t find it necessary. I have lots of favs. I am perfectly fine not eating them all every month or even year. But if it’s my last chance? Maybe. Maybe not, a single month can’t make a huge difference. Of course, I would satiate my hunger with good food but I do that anyway. And my not carby days are usually way more enjoyable… It would be even more so with some fancier items and bigger amounts. I would do fun experiments like trying to eat 1kg pork chuck roast and stuff… Or how much smoked mackerel can I eat for my OMAD dinner.
I probably would eat late (too). My appetite is better then and I wouldn’t care about worse control or higher calorie eating. My most enjoyable meaty meals happen late. Today I ate fried pork at 10pm and it was wonderful. I do have reasons to eat earlier but it’s mostly for my goals, with a future.
I would go to a Japanese restaurant again too. And possbly I would travel but not to many places as it would take way too much time to find the best places.
Maybe I would visit one of you, someone who knows good places If anyone would be willing. Maybe an Australian, who cares if wildlife eats me - as long as it’s quick and not too painful. But I do want eat first.
I would try to find special mangoes. I love the normal ones but I have heard about special flavored ones…
No, give me decades. I can’t eat enough in one month… (I only wrote this after I got reminded of the wonderful fruits of the world. I am fine not trying much of those but if I had one month, I would want to spend my money on some…)
Oh I forgot about its existence. Yep I would find a nice pizzeria (in Italy if possible) and I would figure out if I still like a really good pizza. I do like bread (with conditions. I dislike most bread especially the inferior eggless ones) so probably. But it probably would be enough once or twice. I never feel the desire to eat pizza, after all. But I have some nice memories about the circa 5 good pizza I ate in my life.
I do plan to find a nice pizzeria since 12+ years, I just never feel the proper amount of desire so it never happens…
While I love eggs, I mostly would use them for desserts. I ate my 8 eggs a day for more than a decade and now I can go lower. Good, more room for meat and the other things!
My milk consumption probably would be high But I wouldn’t want to overdo it.
(I have bought 3 liters of milk today, special sale for one of my fav kind! The expiration day isn’t very far away so my next week will be milky too and I don’t even need to die afterwards! Superb.)
robintemplin
(Robin)
#46
Oh man, one month to live? I’d go crazy. I’d start smoking and drinking again and eating a truck load of Lays Original potatoes.
I’d go out greasy, stinky, and drunk.
Can you tell I’ve put some thought into this?
ctviggen
(Bob M)
#48
Might be my favorite things to eat there (pizza, cheesecake, ice cream). Used to love beer too.
In fact, whenever someone says that PUFAs (polyunsaturated fats like in soybean oil) are THE CAUSE of obesity, I just point them to beer, pizza, and ice cream. That’s how I got fat (in that order), and that’s a diet quite low in PUFAs and higher in saturated fat.
And I can easily – I do mean EASILY – overeat ice cream. Still, even having it only rarely now.
Janie
(Jane)
#50
If I was in perfect health and not overweight I would not eat keto, but eat as clean as possible with minimal seed oils and processed foods.
I would add back potatoes and bread because I miss those the most. Rice and pasta I could live without. And no sugar except during Christmas and Thanksgiving.
ctviggen
(Bob M)
#51
Yeah, sadly, I think beer might be the most obesity-causing thing on the planet. Good beers are high calorie in general, pack an alcohol punch, and taste great. Back when I was drinking beer, 3-4 beers or even a 6 pack was nothing. Even over the course of multiple hours, saying if I was doing a project, that’s a ton of calories. Drink one beer an hour for four hours, and that’s 800+ calories. You can’t exercise enough to get rid of that.
In the last 10 years, I think I’ve had maybe 10 beers. One beer a year. Maybe a few more, as most of those were given to me. I just can’t go down that path again.
coopdawg
#52
Of course…I’d have an Ulster Fry at least every other day, complete with fried potato bread, fried soda bread and fried wheaten bread. Maybe even a fried pancake.
The bigger it is, the more OMAD it would be. (If it was OMAD…may even avoid weight gain)…(I doubt it!). (Apologies I stated 0MAD earlier, which of course was in error.)
Shinita
#53
I don’t know what that is but now that you wrote this… I would make a potato bread! (Or more like the traditional Hungarian baked stuff that has potato, eggs and lots of flour. I have a lower-carb recipe. I love oily seeds, they aren’t even lower-carb and higher-fat but even tastier than flour :D)
And walnut bread. I would eat a crap ton of walnut anyway… I LOVE walnut. I love peanuts too but my body doesn’t like it in big amounts so I would only eat 5g a day, it’s quite normal for me when I don’t respect the fact that carnivore-ish is my chosen, best woe.
Walnut pancakes. With jam. Without jam. Yum.
It’s OMAD, 0MAD is fasting, zero meal a day No one gains that way!
I wouldn’t gain on OMAD HCHF, at least not in a single month. Well I wouldn’t gain on any woe in a single month, maybe 1-2kg if my fat gain abilities sped up in the last 10 years and who cares about that. I am already fat.
And HCHF OMAD feels WAY better too due to the fact I avoid massive overeating and let my body in piece for a long time every day. It probably wouldn’t be so great longer term but when I did it for a few days, I had good experiences vs when I did HCHF with a bigger eating window… OMAD definitely mitigates the problems, no wonder. It’s not true for everyone as some are too sensaitive, some can overeat epically in one sitting - or choose horribly wrong items. I can kick myself out easily with some low-quality ice cream, it was the only item that had that effect… (I don’t buy such things but I had it at a relative, I only know it’s low-qual as it bothered me… and it was cheap. I ate a little and even my high-carber SO felt bad. he ate it too.)
Sugar triggers sugar poisoning WAY easier than starches in my case (but it was so long ago I had a severe case… I don’t remember the non severe one either), too much sugar would be a bad idea, it’s one reason I would mostly avoid sugar. But as I can’t take it out from my mangoes… I would eat them. In moderation. Followed by the best sausages I can find. Or maybe pork jowl, that’s good stuff. I would have some epic pork jowl days. Not too many as I am sure I couldn’t keep up 4000+ kcal/day for long. And anyway, smoked pork belly is even better (but different and pork jowl is hilarious with its 86% fat in weight).
I would eat PICKLES too. Galore. IF my death would come soon as the more near carnivore days I have, the less sweetness I can handle from my savory or sour dishes. I already pretty much stopped eating pickles as they are a bit too sweet. But it’s nice to have them once in a blue moon. Maybe I could find one with zero added sugar. It’s almost impossible here. And then I only will be against the sugar from the pickles. That’s little, right? Yep, cucumbers are basically solidified water and pickling helps too.
coopdawg
#55
Not Keto! But lovely fried.
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Pjam
(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat )
#56
Blimey, you’ve done it again. 
Black Pudding in the middle? I keep looking in the supermarket, I can’t see past oats and barley etc … shame
Potato cakes are / were real nice
scaperdude
(B Creighton)
#60
Sounds like when I was in High school.- except I did have pollen allergies - I didn’t attribute them to food though. I literally had a coupld of years when I just didn’t get sick… at all. I was a skinny bean pole though. In fact I tried kinda hard to put on some weight, but just couldn’t do it. I toned up a small bit. Anyway, knowing what I know now I def would have done things diffferently. I think I know a lot more about gaining muscle. However, I do have to say that There are now things available, which you just couldn’t get back then… like xylitol, monk fruit sweetener and stevia. I would have used those if I could to make my morning yogurt… lol. I would have done intermittent fasting, and drank protein smoothies after my workouts with creatine and whey protein, I’m not even sure if that was a thing back then. I did try protein shakes, but they were so awful that I put the protein powder in ice cream… so there you go.
Now I eat pretty much the way I enjoy eating. I don’t know that I would change too much. I am a better cook, so I think that helps me enjoy my meals better than when I was a bachelor. Back then I couldn’t get things I am able to get now incl raw dairy, better sweeteners, better meat, with the exception of seafood. Seafood was largely better back then where I was. There was no farmed shrimp. In many ways I can get healthier options now. There is more knowledge and demand about healthy foods, so there are products now I can get which are just better for you, and tastier than what was around back then. I am a much more discriminating food shopper now than I used to be, and I am much more likely to go for quality rather than just price. I do have a name for my WOE, but I am keeping it under wraps for now… it is much more sexy than “low carb” though. lol. Low carb really isn’t that descriptive. Low carb, high fat, low carb, high protein, low carb, emphasis on vegetables, low carb carni, etc. I think there are plenty of low carb diets that are not healthy at all… low carb, processed meats comes to mind.
Is my health perfect? No. I am older, and have one or two ailments, but my BP seems very good, I am at a good healthy weight, and I sleep very well. I don’t have any chronic diseases, and don’t seem to get sick… however, I think I try harder than I used to as a teenager. I def spend more on supplements.
Shinita
#61
Thanks for this thread, now I realized I should put a tiny bit more effort into getting some of the food I wish to eat. Like lamb and lamb liver though the latter is still almost impossible to get for me… It’s a long travel. Sigh. But I can buy mutton, I know exactly one place for it, a hypermarket with a huge meat department. Even ruminant meat isn’t easy to get unless going to the city but mutton? People don’t eat mutton. And we had so many sheep in our history!
I don’t feel desire for the carbs I mentioned for my last month Some I surely want to eat again but not necessarily in 2023. I already ate a mango this year, it was enough for a long time. Last time I had a maybe 5 years gap and it wasn’t too long. I still LOVE that fruit but I remember and eating more wouldn’t really matter much. Am I weird?
Oh no, fruits are my vice but I can eat them in tiny amounts, some kinds super rarely.
I need to do something with my bread problem. It’s not a big problem but I definitely have wild days with that kind of stuff (as it’s usually not bread, per se just a relative of it)… And I bake better and better wheat breads… It’s fine, I just need to lose temptation quicker and them being inferior helps too (they are for my SO and he prefers eggless bread. I prefer putting eggs into everything, if possible, in excessive amounts. hence my own best “bread” is 100% egg. but I like the classic bread texture too. and it can get crunchy! 
My ideal bread only have crust Full crunch bread sticks are my thing )
I could live my life without potatoes at this point, that’s good. But I still like them in bread type things here and there. And the only interesting pasta is macaroni because of its shape. But it’s not THAT important and I prefer my pasta being eggs, not just eggy pasta. (Eggless pasta is a waste of everything.)
I still wouldn’t swim in eggs, they are useful but not THAT good. I would drink a few every day though… I probably would drink egg milk, milk and coffee, sometimes beer and a tiny Glenlivet and little else in my last month…
YAY! That’s the way to live I understand not everyone can do that, too many people desires things bad for their health but in the ideal case our desired, most enjoyable and healthiest diet is the same.
Yeah, xylitol is just superior over table sugar in everything, for me and for many others I suppose… I would have used that myself. And as it’s expensive while not being food, I would have lowered my sweetener consumption way, way earlier… Sigh.
At least I did IF way before I know it has a name. By the way, there was no such question but I still wouldn’t eat until 3-5pm in my last month.
I want to be around when you will tell us, I am curious
That’s true. Especially that it means very different carb ranges for different people.
I don’t see any problem with processed meats (amount and kind matters though) but of course one can do super unhealthy low carb diets. Keto can be done in an unhealthy way too (for everyone, I mean as of course a great keto diet for one may be really bad for someone else), carnivore too…