Perfect Health - Would You Still Follow Keto/Carnivore Diet

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #1

Imagine a perfect world where your in perfect health, your are an ideal weight etc etc and have never had a single health issue. OK?
What diet would you follow?

(Robin) #2

You would need to clarify what way of eating had resulted you already being in perfect health.

(Mark) #3

If I was one of the lucky ones to have perfect genetics, I honestly probably wouldn’t be concerned about my diet and eat SAD. I wouldn’t have read all of the books, done all of the studying and research. So I absent of that I’d be rolling like most others do now days. But if you mean I get myself to perfect health after being fat, sick and headed for death, then I stick with Keto, Carni and fasting.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #4

I’d eat mostly meat, and very few vegetables. It’s a more congenial way of eating.

Of course, ice cream, chocolate truffles, popcorn, and spaghetti have their appeal . . . :scream:

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #5

I was kinda thinking back to a 35 year old, care free me. I was in excellent health. Burnt loads of calories and ate 6 meals a day.
hmmmm maybe that’s where it went wrong! :thinking:

(Mike W.) #6

I would eat giant ribeyes and dessert every night! Also a doughnut or four with my morning coffee :rofl:

#7

I would eat pretty much whatever I fancy and can get. As I always did. (I can’t and doesn’t want to resist temptation.)
With training to do it right according to my preferences…

I felt and probably was pretty healthy on high-carb already, I don’t think bad about plants or processed things (the better ones, not just any. sausages? yes please) so it’s not so hypothetical to me :smiley:

Even if I am fully healthy and I know I always will be (it’s close to my reality), it’s a too disconnected reality where food has little to do with our well-being… It does have its effects. Like sugar damages teeth. And being just kind of healthy and totally thriving are two different things…

I could come up with this quickly.

Oh and carni is CHILL, so so very convenient (when I am not bored of my food but it doesn’t really happen nowadays. and I don’t do exactly carni, I have my tiny extras and occasional off days. that’s enough).
I want way more than just perfect health…

Of course I don’t know where I would be without me reading a bit about diets and nutrition and health when I realized maybe I should lose some weight after being chubby for more than 3 decades…
But NOW… I just couldn’t go back to high-carb, I don’t have that kind of self control (and masochism), I often say… My body likes this woe more. Better food, bigger chill factor, bigger convenience… The hell would I want to buy zillion food groups in my mounthly shopping, it’s tiresome even without that!

…But if you ask how I would eat if I ignore everything, only keep the joy of eating? Oh my, I would eat FATTY FOOD! Sometimes, like now, I miss them so, so, so much, this 13 years was so, so long and while I am pants at minimizing fat, I still try to do that… Along with minimizing protein as well. NOT EASY.

Carnivore helps but very, very rarely I just feel miserable and daydream about eating much fat like on high-carb… I liked that.

(Mike W.) #8

I have seen your post lots of times about the same thing. I’m really curious why you are minimizing protein and also fat? I had just never heard of that before. Thanks

#9

The root of the problem is my overeating abilities/desires. I was used to it and hard to get rid of it. I came a long way, I eat way less now and it usually feels nice… But I can’t be really content with it all the time.
(I do overeat very regularly, I accept this need of mine and see no problem with it if it’s occasional and still kind of sane but I don’t want to go too far or too often.)

I have my (modest, except maybe for protein) needs and it makes perfect sense to eat as much as I need, not twice as much or something.
I can’t go below 130g protein (I manage it on some OMAD day sometimes but that’s very occasional, my average is still quite higher than 130) so it’s my aim and about as much or rather less fat. And sometimes it’s over 200g for both (still trying to minimize them but that very day gives me that as a minimum. It was very hard to make such days rare, 200g fat is so little! not so very satisfying yet).

My daily energy need is probably rarely much more than 2000 kcal according to my experiences (I never could lose any fat eating over it on any woe and always if I went significantly below) so these numbers are unfortunate.

But I can satiated and kind of satisfied with this very little amount (if I wanted big meals, I couldn’t eat every day!), I merely need to focus on eating as lean as possible and hoping that will be enough (or not hope but focus like crazy all the time and that isn’t my style, too tiresome).
So I am not very miserable just very occasionally but then I can just overeat massively (if I can turn off my default minimalization, a dozen of years change even me), it’s not like it changes my weight at all.

I will be fine, I just got upset that I was unable to buy leaner pork this week (the local supermarket isn’t so great but usually better) and my wonderful recent macros (I worked for them for so many years and they arrived, carnivore, stubbornness and training is wonderful :D) got messed up. And even the rain interfered with my walks… Maybe my sedentary energy need isn’t so far from my more active one but I need every tiny help.
I try to delete my comments about this but I am so upset about it now that it escapes sometimes, sorry. I will be much better soon (when I finally get my leanish meat I learned to love).

(Michael) #10

If I had not gotten sick I never would have considered changing my diet. So, I guess exactly what I was eating, before I found out I was getting sick from it. That was meat, but also a metric f&ckton of sugar and candy with French fries, and 5 cokes a day, all the water you need is mixed with the sugars.

#11

That’s kind of weird to me. I had to eat more protein and fat to stop overeating. It is what truly sates me.

(KM) #12

So does this mean you are stepping out into the world a perfect physical specimen, but all the laws of keto we know still apply? Or are you just asking what would you eat if you could eat anything. If the laws of medicine still applied, I don’t know that I’d change what I’m eating a single bit. I intend to live forever.

#13

Living forever- perish the thought. No matter what you eat, your body will slowly deteriorate. I have no desire to live past the fully functional stage myself.

I am not sure about the question. If I am born perfect, and what I eat does not affect me, I would not have embarked on this journey.

If I am in perfect health because of eating properly, I continue to eat properly.

(Nicci) #14

I’d eat a lot of pasta, beef, rice and salads. I know this because that’s what I ate when I was younger, and I did stay skinny. I was skinny all my life. It wasn’t until menopause that I packed on pounds.
I love pasta, and I love a big salad topped with tuna or chicken. And luckily for me, I do love BEEF.
Often as a kid I’d remark to my husband how I could literally live off a cow. I love steak, cheese, and crave milk. I was one of those weird people who drank Half and Half. By the glass.
Little did I know how much this would come to benefit me in the future-me. Giving up any amount of dairy (in the form of milk and Half-n-Half) has been the hardest. I have happily learned that I can take a big swig of Heavy cream to satiate my craving for milk.
So diet? No. Could I follow the Ketogenic diet? Yes, it is easier than I thought, since “the sacred cow” is allowed on it.

(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #15

Live forever? No. but this yesterday on Taurine! so… 10% more?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-65810138

#16

That’s interesting. Eating as much meat as I do, I should get quite a bit.

BTW, I have been noticing less forgetfulness in myself lately. I used to have the usual brain farts old people have - not being able to think of a word, or wondering why I am in the kitchen - nothing to worry about according to docs. I haven’t had any of that in a long time now. Reading this article just made me notice…

(Joey) #17

Interesting article. Unfortunately, it ends with a whimper …

"Commenting on the findings, Joseph McGaunn and Joseph Baur, both from the University of Pennsylvania, said: "A singular focus on increasing dietary taurine risks driving poor nutritional choices, because plant-rich diets are associated with human health and longevity." [emphasis added]

#18

I’d stay primarily carnivore ,with a bit of cruciferous veggies now and then. Why? Because I know that “perfect health” (and maintenance thereof) does not include sugar, wheat, corn, food chemicals, dyes, etc.
Of course, I can only speak for my own body and how it responds to eating carnivore versus how it responds when I eat non-carnivore. I certainly do not want to rock the boat, once I got the boat steady and sailing smoothly.

(Denise) #19

If I knew what I know now, I would stick with keto :wink:

(Shannon) #20

I love all the things I eat on keto, and I ate them even when I wasn’t on keto. But, I also ate all the carbs along with it. My wife eats the carbiest of carb foods, and is thin as can be. But, I worry about her long term health. I wonder if she is one of those who looks healthy on the outside, but is metabolically unhealthy on the inside. She has a lot of issues with gut biome in particular, and is somewhat ruled by her poop cycles, which would drive me crazy. Ironically, I think she has the same worry about my long term health with me being on keto, haha.

I would say, if I truly had perfect health and my weight was normal, no I would not do keto and go back to all the carbs I love. But, I think that existence is not reality and may only exist in Elon’s simulation.