OXtoberFest ZC Challenge

#141

yes S it can be tough out there. The strict, and I mean beef and water types will not accept dairy so it is ALL who you are chatting with. Relaxed carnivore allows some spice, dairy etc but since it is not the ‘food’, it is a flavoring or condiment to the main meal of meat we just go in on that and allow all animal kingdom foods and see how they effect us, if they work, we win, if they hurt us, we know :slight_smile:
but some can go carnivore crazy and PUT what works ONLY for them onto others, so yea, I know I have walked thru a ton of forums that are insanity LOL but in the end we find good ones too :slight_smile:

one big old thing about going carnivore is eat the meat/seafood you love at all times. if you hold this big changes come. yea not today or tomorrow LOL but time on plan is required and you do find a whole new you that one never thought existed. That is what I found on this all…but I put in the time. So you just do you and eat as you can and all ya like and roll from there!!

We got your back…we will take the (ISH) for carnivore out of you HAHA It is hard to change big ya know in life when we are so ‘set/comfort/controlled’ by our past eating that has worked. GO ROGUE and go for all in carnivore and embrace it…heck if you don’t like it longer term you can go back a tad as it suits ya…but all in is truly a great thing :wink:

#142

so you ain’t wanting them but wanted to know…HAHA cool

Yea just remember that ‘little taste/spice/extras’ that are not food and we do very well on mean we can use them IF OUR personal choice requires it.

Like I loved Hellmans Mayo. I ate tuna and I mixed in 1/2 tablespoon of Hellmans into it to give me that creamy texture and oil it up ya know, way I liked it. Never hurt me one bit. I allowed the ‘oil’ in it from plants as an allowance I could easily deal so at that point I ate the heck out of a few tablespoons total a month in zc when I started with tuna.

I mean, even old timers like Charles Washington, in that last video I posted said if you do a tiny bit of whatever to make the meal work full zero carb like tuna, why worry about that tad you used to keep you on a zc meal…I mean we have to walk into this long term, we must use what works personally for us at all times and there ain’t a darn thing wrong with just that :slight_smile:

#143

Day #7.

The last two days are my OMAD fasting days. Last night beef ribs were on the menu and I ate 3 of 4 of them. I also had some off plan brie cheese. This is the meal where I keep experiencing the “off switch” and I enjoy it. I roll up from a long work day and I do feel hungry. I enjoy the meal, working away at the ribs at a slow, steady pace. Sure enough while eating rib 2 or 3, it just hits me. There is no way I can eat another bite. So I put the knife and fork down. These days I enjoy that slow pace eating, but the stop still seems sudden a full stop between fork fulls.

Today I was driving home (3 hrs) back to the countryside as I have mid-week guests going to turn up. I pulled over at a chicken place on the motorway as all I had had today was a coffee in the morning. The chicken place reminded me I was peckish. I got 20 wing pieces, about the equivalent of 6 or 7 whole wings. They were barbecued. This time I didn’t get the off-switch, like with the beef ribs. This time I ate and ate, feeling hungrier as I ate the wings. I ate them all. After I felt a bit nauseous. I wonder about take away chook. My gut feeling is to avoid it in future.

Have bounced back from atrial fibrillation between days 4 & 5.

Great to be back at home in the countryside. It was raining, but that’s OK, as it is an excuse for a wood fire.

I’ve had 3 OMAD days to start the week with 23:1 fasting windows.

Right now I have no cravings and no hunger. This is a nice place to be. Time to work on a good night’s sleep.

(Alex) #144

Glad to hear that side effect’s stopped :slight_smile:

All this talk of beef ribs is making me hungry!

#145

Fab post from ya FB!

barbecued? As in over a flame and salt/pepp only or were they sauced in some sugar based sauce? BBQ here means over a flame and then we add the sauce, and of course that is usually the way it is here, but just wondering on that?

Chicken is a weirdo. It can activate your need for alot of food, or you were just very hungry at that point or be one of those I require as a side dish to a beef meal. I kinda use it as that, side to my beef/lamb/heavy dense type meal.

Super happy you are feeling wonderful now!!

I know the city and countryside must be weighing heavily on you and I know it would me. I hope it all pans out in a good balance for you while you are doing your work as you must!

#146

The whole chickens are rotisseried and painted with an oil. I’m suspecting the wings may be dipped in a fryer even though the looked like the wings off the rotisserie birds. definitely salty but not sweet. I will have to do better spying, if I ever go there again. Experience: :-1:

#147

Boiling? Does it do anything? I did’t boil but I don’t like apple cider vinegar anyway. I am all for white wine vinegar! :smiley:
But nothing is close to using gherkin and maybe mushroom juice from their jars… I must do my own though as the awesome gherkin juice is too sugary for me at this point…

I had my pickled eggs fun in the last several months (I did beetroot ones too for the color but that was super sugary) because I never had any before, I had no idea about their existence… It helped eating eggs but then came and won my egg sandwiches with cheese and some kind of meat…

But if spices and condiments are fine, pickled eggs are that too. It’s up to the strictness of the woe. I dislike sugar in anything even on low-carb but if there is no added sugar, just vinegar, water and spices, I find it perfect for even the strictest carnivore I am willing to do.

It’s not really my past eating. I don’t say my attitude, wish for freedom and tasting everything isn’t in it at all but it’s no problem and could very quickly change or I would put it on hold.
But try to do strict carnivore with almost no meat… I am working very hard on making a single week on November with at least 1 pound meat a day possible. Of course, fish included, I don’t like it but I have zero chance without that… I just can’t get more than a few (well, several if I am lucky) pounds of proper meat for November even if I stop eating meat for the rest of October (that I basically plan, yes. I only keep smoked pork and maybe a little liver as I can replace those. I can replace fish but I don’t like fish very much and if I eat it in October, I can’t eat it in November as much as I will need).
It’s not always nice to eat 10-12 eggs a day because I need to eat something and I almost only have that. And I can’t always afford this many eggs, I am running low again. I love eggs, you know that but I would love a bit more meat. And it’s damn hard to even FIND proper meat, it’s often not even about the money though that is there too.
By the way, the cheap very commercial chicken necks I bought instead of livers thinking of desperate measures… They taste like chicken. Not the best but for chicken necks who already made a broth for me? Wondeful. I enjoyed them last night and Caroline enjoyed the bones with tiny meat particles today :slight_smile: I just ate them boiled, I have better plans for tomorrow too. I sooooooo would do a proper carni day tomorrow, I sacrificed myself for some tasty but very unneeded food saving, telling Alvaro how he should choose amounts for his soups… I am fine but it’s still not ideal and I even have MEAT, what am I doing on low-carb, seriously? But I used the chance and ate a ton of carbs, as much as I possibly comfortably could :smiley: - significantly less than most Hungarian people with diabetes, I always find it amazing they eat so damn much every day. I would get sick! Well they are, actually…
OMAD is so natural with carbs so I had that today. Apropos natural, I prefer to do natural things now, today was a tad forceful. And now I have a block of - not lead, that’s too toxic, iron then, but that’s too good, I wonder if more iron would make me more energetic, Amy liked her iron infusions… Some heavy block in my belly now (but maybe the big volume of food and drinks had something to do with it, I am used to little volume meals now). I finished with pork and egg as I learned what is good for me and they were desirable anyway :slight_smile: So I don’t get any noticeable carb poisoning.
I spared so much carni food for tomorrow though so that will be a good day. I just can’t have such ones often. But I will stop whine about it and do what I can.

But I like my ish. I doesn’t harm me :slight_smile: I work on making it smaller, using the really, really joyful little extras. I don’t need to eat something just because I have it and it’s tasty… I learn. But it must come naturally (my stubborn trainings are natural enough. forcing myself into something I don’t really desire, that’s not natural and borderline impossible too) and it takes time.

I believe it’s different longer term and more properly, that’s why I plan my November since ages (it still will be not “proper” but I probably always will favor eggs anyway). I am curious and there is room for improvement. And there is winter where I don’t need to resist my fruits (it’s hopeless anyway).
We read so many times that we desire heavy, fatty food in winter and easy things in summer… I always desired fatty protein (among others) and lots of calories at all times. I need them at all times, how people function so weird? Animals don’t stop eating animals in summer either. But some people barely eats in hot weather. Why? How?

And me a bit jealous. Someone gimme meat! Yeah I have a tiny bit lean pork stew and chicken necks but it’s not the same… I am fine with pork ribs though, I don’t have lard and it will give me some :heart:
Or a turkey leg. I would be happy with one. I will so look over everything meat in the city, I want turkey, everyone eats turkey except me. Well, Amy did. And others mention turkey sometimes. While all the turkey I had in the last decades is the turkey sausage I ate several weeks ago.
Turkey sounds good to me now.
And where is my half mutton? If the beef farm would give me that in the beginning of November, it would be perfect.
But I want emu too.
And I so could buy this all, I just need the opportunity, dammit!
But even the little rabbits died every time this year.

(That’s about me staying away. Sorry :slight_smile: To make it better, I will be absolutely perfect tomorrow eating wise. Well considering what I have. But it’s not bad this time. I eat all meat I have - except the tins of tuna and a tiny bit of pork for Friday. It’s what I desire so it’s really not hard to promise.)

#148

Yesterday went kind of sideways. I was supposed to work 7a-12. Easy, fast shift- right? Not. Had a computer crash, which backed up all kinds of photo orders- then had someone call in for their shift. Had to train a new person on photo after the head shed got the computer issue temporarily solved. Net result, I worked 7a to sometime beyond 130 - no breaks at all (which I could care less about, but, employment laws here run contrary to how I operate - so I will probably get flack for that.)
Had to run the puppy to the groomer’s right after work, with no time to eat until after 3pm. My stomach, for some reason did not like the ground beef - and I felt like crap for about 3 hours. Made dinner before picking up the puppy, only to learn that the oven didn’t ever heat up! UGH.
Cooked it in my workshop oven instead. I had the chicken and cheese, but the fam had it with the sides. Felt much better after that.

This morning- oh my goodness!!! I could NOT sleep past 4am. I tried, but failed. So…been up playing with Rufus for almost 2 hours. Going to work in a few, to unload a truck and do whatever else needs to be done. Hoping for an early leave time. Today is cheese-waxing day. =)

Hopefully the energy will last throughout the day! Have a good one, my peeps!

#149

you and that job LOL you sure work very hard SB! Hope you get some relief with that new work week if you that new position but then again, even easier work days go sideways like you know…feel for ya. You need to schedule a day off and relax :wink:

Glad tho you are feeling better tho!!

#150

Oxtober if moving along great

pork ribs
cheeseburger patty
some taylor ham

ribs were yummy. I am not a huge pork fan cause I never feel my best on it but lately I am gearing at them cause, heck they are tasting good to me again! Flip flop of what meat I want :slight_smile: Which is fine, I just eat zc and keep on trucking along LOL

great carnivore day to everyone!

#151

I told Alvaro you guys enjoy beef ribs.
He refused to believe me. I suffered no trauma from it, I am stubborn and it’s the cheepest cut and fatty and sheep/pig ribs are awesome and I do know many people enjoy beef ribs… So I give it another chance when I will have the opportunity.
(But we both rather want our half mutton already. I like the idea since we tried a smaller portion. Probably Not like a half mutton is much. 11kg, they said. Well it’s plenty of meat to us…
One day I need a showdown between mutton and pork, it was that good. Probably pork wins in certain cases and mutton in other ones.)

(Kellyn ) #152

I was looking through zero carb health thread on Facebook and Dana Spencer Shute mentioned enjoying the fall season by having coffee w/ cream and pumpkin pie spice. I was immediately intrigued since pumpkin spice was a flavor I was really missing as fall has started. I picked up some pumpkin pie spice and added it to my coffee with HWC this morning. It was really nice. I have given up sweeteners and though it was not the same as the sugary pumpkin spice coffee, there was a hint of pumpkin spice and I really enjoyed it. I am going to add the spice to the one coffee I have a day with cream and if I decide to drink another cup of coffee I am going to drink it black. I am trying to limit my dairy intake. I had 3 eggs in butter for breakfast with a dash of salt and had some leftover beef roast for lunch. I completely cut salt from my water and am trying to limit my salt intake as well. I know I was getting way too much since I was putting it in my water as well as heavily salting my food. I am having chicken wings tonight and will cook some lamb steak for my lunch tomorrow. My husband is roasting a turkey tomorrow so I should have plenty of that to eat. I know turkey is pretty lean. Any ideas on how to add some fat with my turkey meals? butter? Or maybe just eat the turkey as a side to beef?

(Polly) #153

Butter for sure. If you allow yourself some non-carnivore garnish elements then garlic butter is a winner, and easy to make. Or sage and onion butter, ditto.

(Edith) #154

I am very proud of myself. I usually get a Diet Coke as a caffeine hit for the drive home from my parents. Today I was very tempted, but I got an unsweetened tea instead.

#155

I personally eat all lean meat with some tasty fatty meat for sure. I avoid butter and all added fat as much as possible as they don’t satiate me at all. But if they work for you…

Today it was chicken neck (pretty lean as the fat went to my broth. guess what, it was TASTY, proper meat soup without vegetables! oh, fowls, I love you :smiley: they make my nice soups ~ ) and pork chuck, smoked but I only have that. It was nice.

Chicken necks amaze me. For way less than $1, I enjoy them since days. Today I ate lots of soup too, with meat and eggs in it. And the meat is tasty to some extent, even after the necks made my soup, even though they are normal chicken necks as I can’t get many of the same stuff from proper sources and that would cost many times as much but no, necks can’t be bought that way, or livers.
And all the 17 necks were mine (and the cats) as Alvaro consider them mere bones and he hates bony parts. I love bony parts. We are good together. He eat the chicken breast, I eat the bony parts :smiley: we both are fine with drumsticks though they are a tad too boring to me, all that meat with that little bone :smiley: But the tender, crispy skin is good.

I totally adore good chicken until they don’t want to invade my plate every Sunday as in my childhood (though the chicken surely didn’t want that, I blame my Mom).

#156

yea the tiniest bit of spice in something without making you crave is good, be careful of that. some little thing that seems fine could send ya over the edge in a flash LOL so everyone just be watchful always of what you do add at any time on condiments or a dash of this or that. As long as you do well, and it suits you as a good little extra in your zc lifestyle it is cool.

turkey. I would eat that with a side of beef actually. turkey to me is a side item since I am not a turkey fan HAHA so to me I would only eat a little but if you love turkey, go all in and eat a bunch.

remember too, we don’t ‘need/require’ a ton of extra fat all the time. a day of leaner never hurt anyone, but it can’t be ‘lean, lean, lean’ days in a row or then we can fall into some troubles.

so yea a leaner day eating is ok.

(Kellyn ) #157

This helps. I guess I still have that keto mindset of thinking I need to add fat with lean meat. I can see how my HWC in my coffee can get out of hand so I will have to limit myself to one cup a day. I do like cheese from time to time, but don’t desire it. I have been drinking my coffee black just fine, but just for the fall want to treat myself with one cup of a Fall-ish flavored coffee and this seems to be the safest way to do that while not adding sugar which I refuse to do at this point. I have been sneezing the last week. No runny nose, but wondering if the added dairy could be the cause or if it’s just a seasonal allergy type thing. One thing I have noticed is that I have not gotten sick so far this year. My husband and been sick a few times and even with kissing him, I have not gotten sick. My daughter has a cold and was drinking my water at our volleyball game and again no cold. I feel so good and I can tell that my mood has elevated over the last few weeks. I am generally really happy now. I have come to absolutely love my walks on my lunch break. It relaxes me and I enjoy soaking up the sun. Overall I feel better than I have in as long as I can remember.

#158

Got tomorrow off. YAY! Interview went well today, I think. Will know on Monday. IF I get it, I’ll have every other weekend off, which will be very cool.

Starting to melt the wax now, and will dip the cheese tonight. Had eggs for lunch, and coffee with collagen and creme for breakfast. Not hungry very much, but will likely eat a pile of meat tonight.

So, I picked up my Rx today. The tech was like, “Ummm, that one is pretty expensive.” I’m like, “Honey, I’ve been bleeding for 61 days non stop. You think I care about prices at this point?! You could double the price, and I’d STILL pay for it. Now, ring me up.”

No more headaches so far. Things are slowing a bit so I may not need to dip into the Rx right away. Keeping my fingers crossed.

#159

I can’t imagine a day with lean meat :slight_smile: I need my calories and can’t eat a ton of protein so I need my fat. I may get away with a little food for a single day but usually not, it triggers midnight eating. I don’t know why my body refuses to have really low-cal days :slight_smile: Not even one happens except in very extreme circumstances. I had an 500 kcal day in the last decade. Once. Probably ate a ton the previous day and I mean, too much even for me. It was ages ago, on a different woe.

But no way I only eat lean meat for a whole meal. Fatty protein is how I roll, all the time.
Maybe I will experiment with one of the very few lean meat I enjoy. It would be nice eating as much rabbit as I want, at least once. But I am curious about turkey too.

#160

There is this thing that happens to me in these carnivore challenges where my fasting blood glucose rises the ‘better’ I am at staying on plan.

This morning my fasting blood glucose (4 samples divided between 2 glucometers): 7.2, 7.1, 6.7, 6.8. (range 120mg/dl to 130 mg/dl). However blood ketones = 0.3mmol/L. That indicates a low insulin state. The blood ketones would be switched off, if the insulin was up in response to increased blood glucose.

There will be an answer in my eating from yesterday (2MAD) when the plan had too much variety: beef bone broth + salt in a large mug (that’s me). 3 eggs scrambled in butter + 3 slices processed cheddar cheese (I first looked for some mackerel but had not re-stocked) + 150g smoked salmon + coffee and cream

Planted some avocado trees in the food forest.

3 eggs scrambled + bacon (streaky bacon) + 120g tin of tuna in olive oil… not satisfied (had run out of steak, and that’s what I should have had). Visitors had brought ‘snacks’. One was a packet of ‘bacon bits’ they were fried in sunflower oil. A look at the packet = the picture is of crispy bacon. By now I had eaten all my real bacon. The ingredients listed: Wheat flour and flavour. There was no bacon. It was a totally engineered wheat flour snack made to look, smell and taste like bacon. (this would horrify @PaulL) It is bacon by another name. I did not eat it.

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But I did eat some pork crackling. 63% pork but fried in a PUFA and had other chemical flavours. They were one of those processed foods that are engineered so that you cannot stop once the packet is opened.

Today I have not eaten yet. I’ll breakfast now. I’ve just been to the butcher. There will be t-bone steak on the menu for the next few days. But I’ll start this day with scrambled eggs in tallow.

As an aside, last night this is what I fed my dog: beef strips cooked in tallow with two eggs mixed through combined with 90g sardines in oil, half a jar of beef bone broth ‘jelly’, and 3 large spoonfuls of full-fat unsweetened Greek yogurt on top. My dog does not beg for snacks.