FrankoBear, having lived in Mexico, I know very well that chicharron means pork rinds. I ordered chicharron from Amazon a couple of years ago. When they arrived, I saw that they were made from green peas! Plus various starches, chemicals, etc.
OXtoberFest ZC Challenge
islandlight
(Laurie)
#161
Shinita
#162
It was one of my best ideas to stop eating very processed stuff a decade agoā¦
I mostly just buy one ingredient things. Without package if possible. The eggs come in reused cartons and we take that back or if itās too old, torn or dirty, we burn it. Perfect. The other things are less perfect but we do what we can. The beef farm is good enough with 1-2 plastic bags for big slabs of meat. I hate big package for a tiny bit of food and most people use that.
But they waste food too. 60kg per average Hungarian a year, Alvaro said. Before Covid, it became way worse as people with their huge wisdom stacked up easily spoiled food.
I feel bad enough with ourā¦ IDK, 1kg threw out food a year? Itās practically all tomato and cucchini and similar stuff (they go to the usual place for organic waste to make our bad soil better eventually), they are quick to spoil. And maybe 1 very bad egg? We have some suspicious ones now and then but the cats eat that up. Just like the torn ones from the cartons (the part I canāt salvage, of course I eat an adventurous egg yolk that went outside if it looks okay. We absolutely never throw out meat or cheese or cooked meals. Not even an old, not very tempting piece of bread or rice. Itās food and we donāt waste food. I learned that as a child and it stuck, well I totally agree. Itās about everything, I donāt throw out still working objects. But as I am a hedonist, it means I donāt buy things I am not very sure I really need (except maybe decorative ones when I canāt resist).
When we restocked food (well, we always do that. I would feel very uncomfortable not having enough food for quite a few months at the house even if itās carby. if I canāt buy stuff, thatās a survival situation - and very very unlikely ever will happen but well, I am only 44 and plan to live over 120, who knows what will happen with humanity), we knew what we did.
I imagine normal carnivores donāt waste nearly as food as the average person. But I canāt even comprehend how can the average person throw out THAT DAMN MUCH.
Itās a bit like trying to imagine a 800g added sugar per week as average for certain countries. I never was even remotely close and I half-lived on sweetsā¦
But booze consumption is impressive too, my country is very āgoodā at that.
People are frightening.
Fangs
#163
So glad things are going well for you health wise now!! Hope it all improves a ton for ya!
Super congrats on a great interviewā¦every other weekend off would be wonderful! We did farmer markets on weekends for so many years, I never knew what a weekend off was HAHA when we closed the farm biz and we stopped markets and all OMG it was like, what do I do with myself? well I found stuff to do tho LOL
Fingers crossed for you on the promotion!
ahh, I get that but with zero carb when one goes all in with meat eating onlyā¦over time on this plan, your body will have days it asks for lean meat and you love it cause you are eating just how you body asks. On carnivore we donāt throw extra fat on everything all the time. We donāt need it mostly, now dont get me wrong, there are people who need to up far thru adaption and more but longer on plan, we settle into such a known physical relationship with our bodies, that we know if we need less fat or more fat. So as one progresses we sure change up alot on what is required for us from carnivore. I love that about the plan too. Fits us so individually 
Fatty protein might be how you roll all the time, but zc might change that up a bit down the line, never say never HAHA
ohhhh that stuff sounds so nasty. Like a vegan āburgerā or vegan āchickenā, the crap stuff has to be made or flavored with bacon/meat tastes, have a meat name or no one wants this crap 
Heck just eat the meat people! LOL
Your dog is eating fine!
Fangs
#164
zc going well as usual
ate a big old 1 lb Tbone when I got home, bit later in the day, very ravenousā¦right after, still hungry so I hit 1/2 lb. of bacon. still a tad hungry but decided to wait a bit.
later I ate up a few small leftover pork ribs
then I had a tin of sardines
then a small burger patty
told ya I was hungry HAHA
it is funny we are chatting about fat intakeā¦cause today I am gearing at a leaner meal day. Heading to chicken breast and shrimp today.
I am beefād out for today for some reason. Steak isnt appealing so will do chicken and shrimp and second meal, hmm, nothing is coming to mindā¦I ate so well yesterday that today will just be what it will be.
chugging along, waiting for that scale to give me a tad drop, but again, clothes are fitting way better still and feeling over the top great soā¦just chilling on plan and doing good.
Fangs
#165
this is just wonderful to read KP! More power to you!! It āfeels so goodā to truly āfeel so greatā doesnāt it? I love when I feel the energy in my body and it wants to move and move and just get out there and function and expend that energy. Something I sure lost in my old carby days.
KellynP
(Kellyn )
#166
I had two eggs w/ a tbsp of butter this morning no salt and a coffee with 3 tbsp HWC and a dash of pumpkin pie spice. For lunch I brought some lamb sirloins that I cooked up this morning. Lamb sirloin is so delicious. As I mentioned before my husband is roasting a turkey so I will eat until satisfied on turkey tonight. I donāt have a computer at home so I usually donāt get on the forums on the weekend. I might pull it up on my phone if I think about it though. If not, have a great weekend zero carb fam!
SecondBreakfast
#167
@KellynP ā¦ Sounds like a fab menu!!! Roasting turkey sounds incredible right now. I was just out on the back porch pondering which turkey was going to end up on the Thanksgiving day table. =) Probably the largest, most aggressive one. Iām still trying to get some fertilized eggs from the female- to incubate. So, I gotta keep one pair around. Its tempting, though, to off one of them and cook it up.
Enjoy your weekend, and keep on rockinā the ZC life!
SecondBreakfast
#169
@Fangs ā¦ Had to laugh. I have no idea what to do with my self on days off, sometimes. Once we switched from square bales to round bales, I felt like I was twiddling my thumbs for most of the summer. Less on the job with the promotion means one more day off per week. Iām sure Iāll find something to do though! LOL!
GOing to run a couple errands, clean, and cook dinner for a couple friends tonight. Pharmacy teching this weekend for a couple short shifts. Itāll be nice. Have a great weekend if I donāt pop back on here again!
KellynP
(Kellyn )
#170
I want show you a really great post from the zeroing in on health facebook page by BJ Leone that Elizabeth Stern posted. I think it is so good and some may need to hear it.
and from BJ: A call to all recidivistsā¦
When I see posts with all the various colourful stories from ārepeat backslidersā, I tend to chuckle even through my empathy. Not because Iām laughing at you, but because I can so fully and completely relate.
I can say one thing about recidivistsā¦the problem is often that they have beautiful, sharp and very self-aware minds - but that often ends up meaning that they are also just too damned clever for their own good, really, at times.
That sharp awareness and astute self-analysis, when it comes to ZC, unfortunately doesnāt always do them many favours.
Insight will only get you so far with ZC. And often, too much āinsightā and intelligent rumination, without an equally strong foundation built on basic long-term repeated action, will end up making you stumble:
Mainly due to the tendency these types of mental machinations have to interfere with being able to able to just pick one path; and to stay on it without over-thinking it, for long enough for it to take hold.
The thing is of course that all of you are far from aloneā¦
There are so many out there going through the very same thing.
And ultimately, itās not a matter of figuring out what youāre āmissingā in order to not sabotage yourself (that others seem to mysteriously have figured out)ā¦itās about you finding your own strong enough reason for doing it.
We can give you lots of tips - everything from not letting yourself get too hungryā¦to making inspiration boardsā¦
And all of them may work or help, to some extent, some of the time.
But you already know that none of it will mean much for someone like you, who actually is trying to come up with something that will stick as an incentive to get you to stop fiddling around and going back and forth all the time:
Where your cognitive dissonance is basically taking you for a ride and flinging you around like a rag doll, back and forth between conflicting drives and desires, seemingly at will and seeming beyond your own will.
At the end of the day, it does take some āwillpowerā at times to get through certain momentsā¦
And the only one who can muster it up and do itā¦is you.
You can be stuffed full of meat all day long and still struggle with recidivism, if you do not find and keep a firm grasp on your reasons, goals, and on your determination to honour the commitment to yourself that got you motivated in the first place, to do this.
That takes practice and repetition.
And like anything worth mastering, it needs effort and work put into it daily at a mental level too, not just in going through the physical daily motions.
The more you train your mind the more your mind will fall in line with your purpose, and the less it will be able to entice you to fall back to the path of least resistance and effort (ie, doing what you have always done before and have become conditioned to do as your baseline).
You have everything you need, and are more than capable of getting through this and succeedingā¦
And the posts I see from so many of you, clearly reveal this to be so.
In some ways, it strikes me that often these posts asking for help, are more of a self-pep talk (or a bit of a kick up your own bum), and a call to get yourself to a place of greater accountability with yourself.
The inspiration ultimately canāt come from anyone else - and this you all know too.
So I would say, use these posts that you felt urged to write - for whatever reason - as a way of realising that what you are really looking for is a confirmation in your own mind, of what it is you really want.
And that your task, then, is really to get your own mental wardrobe in order and organised.
So that you will not be greeted by all the clutter that so easily will throw you off track if there is not the necessary order and clarity needed therein, to mentally to get through all those wobbly moments that come up, once the light of day hits your new commitment in the face with the cold sting of reality.
That is, those inescapable occasions all will face at times, and when everyone must stand and make choices in the face of those inevitable times of doubt, apathy, irresolution, boredom, or whatever other obstacles come along regularly and must be overcome.
Itās not about having willpower of steel, so much as it is about having a purpose of steel. Find that purposeā¦
That is, having something that you can be motivated enough by to make it worth going through whatever temporary discomfort may arise, without losing sight of the value that purpose holds for you.
What you truly value, you cherish. What you cherish, you guard fiercely and nothing and no one can separate you from it. xx
Fangs
#171
you too!! I am so not into tech stuff, I donāt even own a darn phone but my hubby and kid are all in with their Iphones LOL When I am āout and aboutā I truly donāt want anyone calling me but I know when kid starts to drive in a year or so and college, yea I gotta get me a darn phone! Only for her to get me at all times, other than that, I would never bother 
And me, a former computer programmer from the North, moved South, went into farming and now I want total disconnect from any of that social phone stuff and more, but I love me my 'puter for zc forums HAHA
Enjoy your weekend and eat great!
you will and it will be farm related
we raised Boer Goats. Had like 170 or so and when kidding went down, OMG! madness but I went into a side biz for goat milk soap and it was stellar. I made a ton of bucks at the farmers markets selling that and it got so big of a biz I got into a few local stores BUT I sure worked my butt off! Watch what you ādo with those days offā cause it could cost way more in time on other things ya know HAHA I was so happy when it closed down, but I kept my soap biz and I bought fresh goat milk from the other farmers I knew to help them with sales, and I kept going and going til that day I saidā¦omg I am SO done, almost 20 years doing soaps, I am so done HAHA
Alot of work but in the end a ton of fab memories.
YUP BJ makes good ones.
I started zc in ZIOH and they taught me alot. Everyone thinks ZIOH IS so militant but zc entrance requires being just that. It is the plan and they do it LOL yet so many find that so tough? ugh. I thrived on that actually. They made me zc and I thank ZIOH all the time for the info they gave me. Eat only meat/seafood and not one darn other thing! Yet some think that is wrong but in the end, to eat all the ON PLAN food you need to enact change and that works, but you never can do it on plant carbs. You never get the truth of what carnivore can do for your body if you donāt eat enough meat/seafood to make the change truly happen! It makes sense to me now 
but when I started I was like, WTH? but in the end I listened and won thru it all!
One thing the veterans told me, and I fought it, TIL THE darn day I listened, just eat a ton of meat and seafood and keep that darn belly full when ya startā¦if one does that, the best plan is coming your way
KP there is tons of great ZC info out there and you are reading and getting it and allā¦very cool and great stuff to post for newer people to read! Love that!!
Shinita
#172
Definitely never. I canāt seriously undereat so it wonāt happen. I need my calories, each and every day when I actually eat something. Itās very fixed in my life and it was noticeable in my carnivore and carnivore-ish days. But I will try a day once when I will be able afford lean meat and nothing else for a whole day. Okay, one day is doable even now. But itās a more or less horrible waste (it depends on what route I choose, undereating or a lot of protein) and I am very much against that, actually. But I can offset it with a longer fast, after allā¦ I only need to persuade my hedonist inner self to change 3 enjoyable days to 3 not enjoyable ones out of curiosityā¦ And for the sake of a bigger deficitā¦ No, it doesnāt sound good. Of course I would add fat but just the usual little amount for lean meat.
Desiring such a day would be different but I never ever desired much lean protein. I always desired lots of fat. And it makes zero sense to desire protein and only that, I rather just fast, much less hunger and sufferingā¦ Cheaper and less wasteful too. So I have problems with this on zillion levels, I doubt anything could break through it in years. But I may try. I always was curious what if I focus on protein but I canāt try it. Very low-fat isnāt what I do. I tried that once in my life for a whole day and it was awful (I knew that but well, curiosity).
No, doesnāt make sense. Anything but that. If ZC has that chance, I rather stay away from it. Certain dietary things frighten me and low-fat is one of them.
I honestly donāt understand those vegans. Normal vegans eat proper, extremely tasty plants. Okay, I didnāt try much vegan meat replacements, it took many vegetarian years when my curiosity finally managed to persuade my hedonist self who knew it canāt be goodā¦ Thatās surely just one thing, there must be better ones but that was awful. And I didnāt get it. How can anyone ruin tasty plants (even wheat has nice taste in bread, for example) like that? And why? We must have different tastebuds (or different level of self brainwash, who knows).
By the way, my seitan is very tasty (and I still canāt bring myself to make it, I always plan it, itās useful when I run out of all meat and barely have eggs. carni broke me and itās problematic as I just go back to eating carbs instead when I have little animal food. I need to work on it). Nothing like meat but thatās a positive point as itās something exotic and unique.
I really will be scarce, I so donāt do carni now and I have almost zero animal protein, itās horribleā¦ We do what we can tomorrowā¦ I donāt even track (I should practice not tracking)ā¦ And this year just gets worse. One of the houses canāt give us eggs for a while as the foxes killed most of the hens. Well, we can get eggs from other not so bad places, I just like to get it from people we know.
FrankoBear
#173
Day #10. One thing about these carnivore challenges is that they can look like a big task at the start. But the experience of them is that what looks like an endless winter from the start point actually passes in normal time, each day in itās time, so that when we look back on Slaptember, or AugustPalooza, it seems that time flew past. The reality is that the challenge is not in the time commitment, the challenge is actually in consistently keeping oneself nourished.
I have that interesting thing happening now 10 days in. My fasting blood glucose levels have suddenly gone high.
This morning (before coffee): 7.2mmol/L (130mg/dl) with fasting blood ketones of 0.3mmol/L.
My wife points out that currently we have some people down from the city on the neighbouring farm property and they seem to think being out in the countryside is about being able to make noise (which they are constrained from in their city lives) - so they are out on their quad bikes driving around - not actually doing work, chainsawing anything that doesnāt move and burning it (they call it bushfire prevention), when they burn it they like to get a leaf blower to blow air into the fire and rev it like it is a Harley Davidson. They will go home tomorrow and Iāll see what happens with a return to tranquility to my blood glucose levels.
Iām going to take Billie (dog) for a run and a swim at the beach now, as Iām not yet hungry from this extra blood glucose. Iāll make like a plant (veganās will love this) and pretend I am photosynthesising because I will be, I will be synthesising Vitamin D. Itās 1pm.
4pm breakfast = smoked bacon + 4 local, happy chicken eggs scrambled. A big mug of beef bone broth with half a teaspoon of Himalayan pink salt. 1 shot coffee (100mg) + cream.
Pre-breakfast, post walk in the sunshine at the beach blood glucose = 6.0mmol/L (108)
Fangs
#174
that is really hard S. Not having that good protein source availalble when you need it. I know you are trying hard to find farms that can supply and then that poor farmer had the foxes destroy the hens. ugh. Without a good supply it is truly impossible for ya to do carnivore, I am sorry you are getting hit so hard with finding what you need in your area!
Fangs
#175
Prior to converting to the ketogenic diet, your muscles were the major sites to soak up and use glucose in the blood for energy. On the long-term keto diet, however, they now prefer fat as fuel. So the muscles are resisting the action of insulin to bring sugar into cells for energy, saying, in essence: āWe donāt want or need your sugar anymore, so move it along.ā Hence, the slightly elevated, but generally stable, glucose circulating in the blood.
As Dr. Naiman states only testing fasting blood glucose without testing fasting insulin tells you very little. Thatās because two people could have exactly that same fasting blood glucose levels and have very different circulating insulin levels
good article with some info on that.
You had me laughing on your city folk You shoulda gone all Deliverance on them HAHA Leaf blower in the fire, ugh, that is just stupid, I would be smacking someone around for that one LOL
Nice walk on the beach! Ahh you and your poochie have it made in the shade!!
Fangs
#176
Just zcāing along in fine form.
small NY strip steak
6 sausage links
big old cheeseburger patty
tin of sardines
just chugginā along and all is good. Appetite is now just easy going. No big want of food, not less want of food LOL Kinda right in that middle where I like to be in my eating.
Oxtober is like 1/3 gone and boy time does just tick on! We are in like 3 days of rain nowā¦ughā¦no sun so I wonāt like that. I live and die by the sunshine LOL but I guess I will survive thru it
FrankoBear
#177
Thatās true Fangsy. That is why I check blood ketones at the same time as they are a proxy for insulin levels. Ketone production gets shut down by circulating insulin. So, if there are blood ketones present (there are) then it is likely that circulating insulin is low.
Thanks for the resources. Iāll gobble them up with my steak dinner.
daddyoh
(Eric - The patient needs to be patient!)
#178
Iām around. Iāll update details later.
Carnivore went out the window with COVID (my reaction initially was panic and anxiety but that is all gone now) but in the last 6 weeks Iāve been carnivore adjacent. Heavy focus on beef and eggs but stinky fish, pork, less chicken but some in the diet.
Iāve stayed keto but did eat some peanuts daily in the summer and gained 10 lbs from inflammation (because I lost it fast) and gave up the little bit of chocolate I was eating every couple of days. Will give that a try adding that back in on Monday. @FrankoBear thanks for checking on me.
Fangs
#179
here is a blurb from my zero carb forum:
If after several weeks of ZC (Zero Carb), your levels are well above 120-140, you might try at that time to consciously choose leaner meats, which reduces the amount of fat intake, or some people have to increase their fat intake ā it can be tricky. But as I said, probably not likely. No need to panic yet.
Your body is adjusting ā your insulin and blood sugar and glucagon ā they havenāt got the signals fully functional yet. Adaptation can take 6-8 weeks, or more for some, especially for those with diabetes or other health issues.
---------So I remember also you need longer testing, like 3 months over time with all numbers, not just that BS number taken in the morning daily, heck I canāt remember the resource for that info, I know I got it somewhere LOL
kinda brain dead this morning. so foggy and rainy and nasty, I just wanna crawl back into bed and wait for the sunshine HAHA
Fangs
#180
yea it was a frigginā stressful time for sure. I am so glad you lost the inflammation lbs and are eating more cleaner once you got your footing!!
tough times out there, best we can do is eat clean to help our bodies I guess Happy you are doing so much better now!!