November 2025 IF/EX Fasting chat - all welcome

(B Creighton) #21

Here’s the one from last night:

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And the one at the time I first posted:
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They’re about the same except the fancy mini tomatos are not home grown. Everything is on top of a salad of kale, raddichio, cabbage, and shredded broccoli or brussel sprouts. On top of that I add the pumpkin seeds and craisins that come with the salad, but ditch their salad dressing which has seed oils and sugar for my home made dressing of MCT, balsamic vinegar, and herbs. You can see the light tan hemp seeds in the middle. One has dark Kalamata olives, and one has green olives. I was never a salad eater until I started eating this salad. I really enjoy it. The MCTs and vinegar make it a fat burning salad.

(B Creighton) #22

The first time I used the Hume, I was only given four metrics in the app. The weight was about the same as the Renpho, but the body fat was 5% higher. I feel this was an overestimate designed to make me feel good, as it has already dropped. I heard in an online video that the first few measurements it gives you aren’t real accurate as it is “calibrating.” Whatever. I wasn’t real happy with it, because it said I was going to get 55 different body metrics and only gave me 5 the first two days. Now, on the fourth day the app has opened up to all the metrics, so I can better compare it to the Renpho 4 sensor scale. I’m still learning this app, as it has a number of things you can choose to look at data various ways. At first I was not crazy about the fact that I thought I had to choose each metric from a list and save it each time to look at that measurment. However, by choosing the data type button over the “Body” button with the body graphics, it gives a decent breakdown of all the basic metrics in slightly different formats or chosen data “types.” So, after learning this, I am really liking the app. I do like the fact that it has already lowered my metabolic age from 58 to 57! Both of which are lower than Renpho’s 60, and better for my fragile ego… LOL. That has to do mainly with the fact that it has already lowered my body fat. It has my muscle mass in my trunk probably fairly accurate, and what I am going to concentrate on this year. I know that is where I need to gain muscle. My arms and legs are at standard, but it says my arms are about 23% body fat… I have trouble believing that I have any appreciable fat in my skinny arms LOL. My veins aren’t popping out all over, but they can be seen in my biceps and wrists. OK, whatever. My legs are around 19% BF. My bone mass is practically exactly the same as the Renpho except it is adding a .3 tenths pound right now which is one tenth higher than the Renpho has ever measured me. It has my basal metabolic rate about 60 cal lower than the Renpho, but says it has gone up slightly. It has dropped my subQ a half percent to 21.5, which is over 3% higher than the Renpho, but my guess is that will drop more over the next few weeks in the “calibration” process. It has my trunk muscle mass going up a whole pound in 4 days, which I have trouble believing, but I did do ab rolls, chinups, pullups, and diamond pushups in that time period. Anyway, after being initially somewhat dismayed, and even upset, I have calmed down and am liking my purchase, which was $20 cheaper than can be had right now on their black Friday sale, plus I got free shipping. Since my main motivation for getting this scale was to better track my body musculature, I am feeling that this scale will do that much better than our Renpho 4 sensor did, and so am happy with my purchase right now. At first I downloaded the app over my phone data, and I could not get it to pair with the scale, so I uninstalled it, and downloaded it again over wifi to get it to pair. I have also learned that you have to try to cover almost all of the sensor areas on the hand held part to get it to not give an error, so women with small hands may have difficulty getting this scale to work right. It would give the weight of a child, but I don’t think would be useful otherwise for most pre-teens. There you have it. My professional review of this scale, LOL… Happy Thanksgiving everybody!

(B Creighton) #23

I should probably add that apparently different users will need their own phone and own account to use this scale separately. I think that is true of Renpho as well.

#24

Nice colorful plates! :+1:
I like the plate itself too, nice pattern but subtle, looks fine with any food!
I had mini tomatoes, still have a few in their ethylene box… IDK if I wrote that before but I am always so proud when I manage to grow some vegs in my tiny veggie patch with not so great soil (but the small containers full with black soil have the same result, at least for tomatoes).

(B Creighton) #25

I grew up on Correlle plates, so when I got married guess what I got? This is my favorite Correlle pattern called Callaway. I grew up on something much like Corelle Bryndle, which I never really liked, but it was very tough stuff, and great for everyday family use. For whatever reason I think they discontinued Callaway, but after my son let a few too many slip through his fingers, I got more used on eBay… if anyone out there wants some. Thanks for the compliment, but the pictures would have turned out better with more light. They really were quite colorful in person. It is quite good after a lamb roast, steak or chicken entre. After salmon or shrimp, I seem to like a veggie… don’t really know why. I will, however, often eat this salad after a sardine meal, because it is fast.

#26

Yeah I can relate, my kitchen has little natural light and I usually make a shot (very rarely, I am very bad at food photography, not like I am good at photos to begin with but some of my macros are nice and I make some okay shots of the quick hummingbird hawk-moth! it can’t stay put unlike butterflies and getting a sharp wing is almost impossible with my camera, not like it’s a problem, it’s pretty when nicely blurred too… but food? oh that won’t come out right unless sunshine and luck and whatever helps and I am just not motivated), that’s outside. Or it’s ugly.
Your photos really look good though (the colors are really good!). Well my camera ensures a super tiny depth of field, it’s sometimes great with flower macro shots (though even there, it’s super tiny… and my moth and some part of the wings, it was a challenge to put the focus on the right place) and I figured it’s rarely good for food pics. It could be… But it takes skills at gastro photography I lack.
Our phones and tablets just aren’t good enough so we still use the normal, big camera.

I wonder if it’s a cultural or keto or whatever thing. Why don’t people eat things together (I mean, of course people are different but I never saw that irl)? They look good WITH some fatty meat for me. Why would I eat things separately? Just a bunch of watery greens (and non-greens)? Okay, yours has some oily seeds too… Still, it’s weird to me (a bit. I am positive I could eat some). Just like meat alone can be lacking though I am pretty good at that and only want something if it’s too fatty or too lean and boring. Even then, I don’t mix vegs but that’s me. Never liked salads except my fav with lots of freshly fried onions and zucchini, I never needed to worry about dressing as it had fat and flavor galore :slight_smile: Well that one was good all alone but it had cheese in it…
Salads are one thing but I saw eating things first on this forum so many times and I just don’t get it. Why would we eat things separately when we eat them together to get balance and joy…? My SO always makes sure that everything run out at the same time, at the last bite. I am bad at that, personally, too much work and I focus on one part and forget about the others, I did that as a kid already. But if I eat vegs, it’s almost always to complement my protein (especially after I have tried out carnivore and lost interest in most vegs, no wonder). Soups are exceptions but low protein soups are very rare in my life nowadays.
I wonder why it’s so normal for others… But I suppose some people are okay with separation, a few prefer it and others can’t do it. But as I wrote, I never saw that in my country and a lot on this forum.
Normal dishes are often so insanely overcomplicated (I still don’t get why a meat requires sauces and spices and whatnots but I see that everywhere. anime is especially bad at it, some potentially sugary stuff apparently makes even the best meat waaaaay better… yeah, sure), it’s odd to see people casually talking about the opposite!

STILL no OMAD in my life. I know I have no self control around food but still, it seems so easy (it’s not like I get more than slightly hungry until lunchtime) and I still fail… I keep trying.

(B Creighton) #27

I’ve always ate most things separately starting with my meat. My parents teased me a little about it, but I still do it. And now I know there is good reason to eat your meat first. The meat is typically the most concentrated source of protein, and the stomach acid is needed to break up the proteins into amino acids. Eating carbs first weakens that process… including fiber. So, now it is meat first, veggies 2nd, and everything else last. It also helps to prevent the extreme insulin spiking of carb first habits.
Is that what your talking about?

(KM) #28

I believe the original idea behind eating “American salad” (primarily lettuce) first came about as a way of filling up with low calorie foods & fiber - a diet aid, basically. (Of course most restaurant salad is drowned in high calorie dressing and made with iceberg lettuce which has little fiber, so I’m not sure what if anything was really saved).

(B Creighton) #29

I don’t really know… I’ve just never really enjoyed that type of salad. When I do a salad bar, I load up on things like cole slaw, carrot salad, sunflower seeds, maybe a little potato salad, etc I skip the salad dressing.
My home salad has purpose and taste. Kale is much more nutricious than iceberg lettuce, and typically has much less oxalate. Raddichio is one of the foods highest in luteolin. Hemp seed topping is high in protein, and relatively high in omega 3 ALA. I’ve included the olives to get nutrients out of the olives, Tomatoes are high in lycopene. My own salad dressing is tasty and is healthy for the cardiovascular system.

#30

I really need to talk with people I suppose but it felt so, so nice to write even though we talk about food here… But at least it helped with my fast, it’s already 5:20pm and I only had some bites today. I start to get really hungry, it was so long ago…
I just don’t want to abandon this one, sorry. I did that with way too many comments lately.

I was talking about the unusualness of eating things separately. They are together to enjoy them together, they balance each other. My SO totally works like that. Protein, side dish, vegs, every bite must have all of them. He is very good at everything lasting up to the last, perfect bite. He can manage if I take a bite of something in the middle but not near the end. As I saw dishes all my life, it’s how people eat, eating different things at once.
I am a bit different as I never had the skill to balance 3 different things at the different times. I always ended up concentrating to 1-2 things only but I am moderately good at eating things alone (especially sour things). Even so, I need the balancing act and if I wouldn’t eat vegs with other things, I (almost) never would eat vegs (well I am close to that and it’s great, the less vegs I eat, the better, after all. vegs aren’t healthy to me but not a particularly unhealthy things either unless we consider the super starchy kind as vegs, I don’t, and/or the amount is big).
Eating salads and meat alone sounds fine to me but sometimes people on this forum talk about eating protein and fat separately :smiley: Okay, it’s pretty much impossible in my old world where I tried to eat as little as possible therefore all my protein sources were about 65% fat. Now it’s different (and I always had some fattier bites) but not very much. My extremely, unusually low-fat items (if it’s not very off eating) are about 45% fat, it sounds almost frighteningly and impossibly low (it did took 13+ years and lots of recipe making after high-carb to get there. oh and lots of training, 45% fat meats are fine for me now but quite lean). Well that IS very low for a diet if you ask me, I almost never went that low-fat on high-carb I am sure but still lower than my 65-70% fat leanish but enjoyable normal fare.
So now I can eat 50% fat first and 70% fat second or something. I can’t go much higher outside of fat fast (or when I don’t care) as I inevitably overeat fat then.
Carbs are the things I don’t even want to eat, it just happens whenever, as I don’t have much control on eating them, they can happen anywhere. I do try to stick to carni food for as long as I can during the day. The later I eat carbs, the better. Mostly for mental reasons, I really don’t care about orders or the number of my meals as long as my daily food gives me good macros and I don’t get annoyed (as many meals usually do, not convenient and dangerous).
Both my SO and I eat pretty well most of the time, our body handles the food just fine and changing things would be an unnecessary killjoy (and it’s not like I can change much anyway even if I try as hard as I can. well with my personality, it’s not much but still, I do train myself, with some success) so we keep our ways. Well he does, I keep trying to eat (and fast! though that is part of the way of eating…) the way I know I should. I am not super far, usually but still should do better.

It’s good your desires and how it’s right pointed into the same direction! Lucky! Though I am not very unlucky either, those are the people who try to eat in a supposedly healthy way and it’s super far from what they like. I always loved healthy food and I don’t think anyone ever told me that high-fat isn’t healthy (I don’t think it would have had any effect but still, it’s nice). Too high-fat (like 70% fat for me unless I change something. I would love to be active and muscular enough for that still moderate fat level. eating 65% left me missing fat so much for many years, it’s better now) IS unhealthy but that’s another matter, not what I am talking about.

I always preferred very simple (like meat and some vegs if I feel the need for some bites) or everything-at-once (I am sure there is a word for it in English too…) dishes. Those are convenient, I don’t need to use brainpower to make my bites. My rich scrambled eggs (“peasant’s breakfast” in a low-carb way) is like that. It has basically everything I normally eat and possibly a few carbier items too but only in tiny (perfect) amounts. So I can’t separate things at all. But most dishes are like that if they aren’t the protein+carby side dish+vegs type. Most of our dishes are complex. Hungarian dishes I mean as I very often eat meat and little else for my main dish. But I think it’s true for many countries… My dishes are already pretty much separated from carbs (they have them but little enough), and I try to keep them as low-fat as I can, it should be enough as I can’t do much more!

Fiber makes me hungry so it never could work for me… And it works way too much for some people who fills themselves with salads and basically starve saying they are full… Maybe it requires some serious ED but still, it can be dangerous… And I would think adding a lot of lean protein to the salad would make it WAY, way, way better. More satiation, useful nutrition (we need protein! okay, vegs give some useful things but macros are vital and many people especially dieting ones who are fine with eating a salad alone often don’t eat enough protein, no matter how strange that is to me), more joy if you ask me (if it’s not TOO lean to my liking but if it’s a salad, even some juicy chicken breast with some fat - as salads need fat anyway - would be welcomed and I never liked chicken breast though it’s nice if juicy - super easy to do, IDK why people complain about dry chicken breast, they just shouldn’t make it dry…? I cooked the stuff like 3 times in my whole life and it was always juicy - and tasty due to some flavorful marinade. it’s still not nearly as good as some pork, even the lean stuff but still, edible and even enjoyable in rare occassions and small amounts).

I don’t need any fiber (and it does absolutely nothing to my satiation… still better than the net carb part, that used to make me hungry, maybe not anymore, hard to tell, I don’t track on carby days anymore) but love the crunch :slight_smile: Iceberg lettuce was the only lettuce I was willing to eat (except for a single dish where normal lettuce was involved but I ate that like once per year), it has about no taste so it has no bad taste, just tasteless crunch like good peppers, okay in my books! But now it tastes like grass just like most green leaves (despite it being more white than them). Mostly lettuce salads with colors look nice though and I understand people want some juicy wet thing along with their fatty food. I rather grab a pickle though. Or roast some good pork that is pure perfection with a little salt on it. It just makes no sense to me to add anything else (in my own case. each to their own, obviously).

I only saw the mostly lettuce salads used in two ways: eating it with meat or something fried, so, with a “proper” dish - or as a full meal when the dieter was some female (probably even with a low energy need) who had no idea about how things worked (of course, it’s perfectly fine to use it as a meal if that works for someone. I always had some fruits for breakfast at 11am for a while at some point, I am not completely sure why but I do love fruits with a burning passion - I don’t think it will ever change. I don’t feel I need them anymore but they are lovely - and they were the only things I could stomach that early every day. and the amount was little and I most probably did my walks around that time so they couldn’t do much damage).

I don’t even know what that is… Maybe I will look it up a bit later.
I always considered vegs joy items. I ate them for joy. Now it’s a tad different as I consider them things I mostly should avoid and I don’t consider them for nutrition at all. It makes sense as my carni food gives me all what I need (and if something is missing, it’s possible, vegs surely won’t help with that) and the amount of my vegs is negligible. I suppose it’s very individual and I don’t mean our actual diet, we just have somewhat different needs. Like I apparently need zero fiber while others say they do need fiber to function well.
(I still don’t understand how I function with a quite low vitamin C intake even while eating much carbs - much for me - but I never had noticeable problems this far. Maybe I never did this combo for long enough for them to emerge. Many people eat in a clearly horrid way and they don’t get sick as quickly as I would think.)

:+1:
Double hedonistic, I approve. I do love eating tasty and healthy food, both parts make life more enjoyable. It’s great we humans have options (well the luckier humans, not everyone, sadly).

About my fasting (my diet isn’t that great right now for reasons. I do have a ton of meat in my fridge now and a cute amount in my oven pan)…

Still stupid tiny bites (and coffee… still don’t have a tasty one but I couldn’t fill the void when I try to go without yet) during the day BUT…
Yesterday we visited the annual wild goose happening at a not too far pond so I only had dinner.
And today I managed to resist lunch (it was easy as 1. I had creamy coffees though they aren’t THAT effective normally 2. it’s Sunday so my SO ate early. I was still very well satiated at 1pm) and even my non-keto baked goods couldn’t tempt me for more than a taste (full crunch, yay!) as they got ready after my SO’s lunch. This day will be “dinner and a few bites elsewhere”. I should clean it up soon to be able to call it OMAD, not like that is my main (or any) reason for it… I never was very compatible with bites outside of normal meals though I do like tasting stuff and can’t resist food temptation so it happens now and then. Sometimes very often during some time period, I dislike that, feels wrong though mostly innocent. As long as I have one proper meal and just tiny bites outside, it’s better than my average day.

Today is Sunday with new things to taste but starting tomorrow, I will really try to wait until sunset. No Food Until Sunset (if I can’t do it, just some liquid, maybe? preferably NO coffee. or cocoa, the best replacement, actually better as it tastes good unlike my coffee. only cream or something saves that stuff). I should keep it up all December, to mitigate problems and anyway, it’s a great idea until late Spring or something. It’s not for anyone, obviously but I really should have my first (and usually ideally last) meal late. It’s very hard to avoid overeating if I eat as early as 3pm, even with my smaller meals (I feel they are smaller and they surely are, I just don’t track and no way I could ever guess. but with my small energy need and lots of extra body fat, eating too much in one meal is still super easy. except OMAD diminishes my mealsize too much unless I focus but I try to figure it out. and I suspect 2 dinners may work on some days).

Now I am full with food joy through writing so I ignore my (not too bad but serious) hunger for a while more.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #31

Time for Dec thread, see it here:

(B Creighton) #32

According to my new Hume scale, November was overall a big success for me. It says I am up a couple pounds of muscle, and I am stronger. Ready to go up another 5 lbs on my dumbbell. It also says my fat has continued to drop. However, I don’t think the overall is quite relevant, because I did cheat over Thanksgiving, so a lot of that muscle weight was probably glycogen getting filled back up - at least I wasn’t filling fat back up, right? Anyway, overall, a successful month it seems compared to prior years where muscle and fat went up.