I immensely enjhoy my food. I am a hedonist, it’s vital to me. I only accept 9-10/10 meals most of the time. I didn’t thought my comment will be such a huge misunderstanding!
But it doesn’t make me HAPPY. Happiness is something else, not just having delicious food AND even enjoying it (I can not enjoying at all super delicious food, it’s rare and odd but I just coldly notice the tastiness). That’s more… Mental/emotional? I eat the food, nice and life just continues with all its problems. Food is nice and one of my major enjoyment sources but it has its limits. I won’t forget my problems, stress don’t go away (beyond what comes from hunger :D)… Food joy does have longer term effects, this is something many many people don’t experience, it seems when talking about a minute of joy vs bad consequences. But this is limited and I can stay super unhappy, food has about nothing to do with that. Maybe a bit, it does have a very big good part that has nothing to do with food joy while eating (just getting satiated and having nutrients) and another due to the joy of eating but I never felt it would significantly raise my spirits and definitely not my happiness.
It’s probably a different terminology thing. Or not. I don’t know how food affects you.
Many people say chocolate make one happier. Well, it may be tasty but it doesn’\t do that to me. I could eat a pickle too, that is about as tasty with similar effect. (Though I prefer sourness. But sometimes like chocolate too. So it depends which is more effective but neither make me any happier. It’s just a tiny bit of nice something.)
And while I consider it best (for me) to enjoy the hell out of nearly everything, first of all from food, I understand some people consider it fuel and don’t see a problem with it. We can have so, so much joy from zillion other things. And we always get positive things from food as it gives me nutrients and make our body work, it’s plenty. It’s a tad sad but not horrible not to get any joy from it - as long as we still can eat. I can’t eat food I don’t find good or just a bite. I can eat neutral food (good but no joy at the moment… I probably wouldn’t last for many days that way) but not what I totally doesn’t want.
So yes, I enjoy my food or else I am miserable and that’s sad for a hedonist. So it always solves itself somehow.
If I had to live on something I don’t like but don’t hate, I probably will like it eventually, it’s some self-protection thing from my inner hedonist. But it’s just a hipothesis at this point, I never was forced to test it.
So I am lucky. I am sure not many people eat extremely tasty food most of the time. I usually couldn’t even eat something significantly tastier, I simply eat my best option. Not always but often enough. And I mean everything including carby food or food not in my house. Probably my hedonist self but no, I think I am just that much into pork chuck roast…
And sometimes into eggs.
But sometimes eating is boring. And I would like to be a snake and take a break… I have even more food joy than what I need. Humans need to eat awfully often. And much if you ask me when I don’t want to eat…
It isn’t true for everyone but definitely for me. More than 10 eggs a day surely does the trick and it’s odd as eggs are so versatile… I get bored of meat loads easier, at least until recently, now I am good.
But I do need variety. I have multi-course meals, I can’t just do it with 1-2 under normal circumstances.
I can’t switch foods as I eat everything I may want. But it’s a moot point anyway, my food works me well now. But I have cheesier (just one day, I don’t really want cheese normally), meatier, eggier times. Now I eat quark every day
Just a bit but what a difference it makes!
If nothing else helps, I fall back on my dessert pancakes but I don’t like to do it as that usually isn’t carnivore, merely keto.
- So after 4000 kcal per day or 2000 kcal per meal… I call that full, I think.
- The rare effect, usually caused by meat, stop sign. Oh that’s great unless it comes too early and I get hungry an hour later.
Before carnivore I only had the first one. I actually can eat beyond that but it’s not so pleasant so I almost never did.
It’s sooooooooooooooo easy to eat 1000 kcal more if I want. I have skills. It only takes tricks and effort on carnivore (or maybe not, I never specifically tried), I do it very easily otherwise.
So I like to stop eating when I am not hungry anymore, preferable pleased, satiated/satisfied, it’s a nice feeling… AND if I ate what I should. Sometimes I stop when a bit hungry (rare and I dislike it, of course. hunger after a meal isn’t hedonistic. it may be great well-fasted but that’s a special very soft and nice hunger), sometimes I stuff myself, wait a bit and do it again… But ideally I eat my planned food, very vaguely… And stop when it’s pleasant, it’s still not a tiny range for me, usually so it’s not that clear when to do it, sadly. Hence the planning, tracking b before as a guide. (Vague guide, I mess up every plans all the time but ideally not soooo much so it’s still useful.)
Satiation has nothing to do with happiness and little with satisfaction in my case. It’s purely “did I eat enough to feel it’s enough”.
I can eat a ton and not getting satisfaction, that’s bad but that’s why I eat very tasty food and whatever I fancy (it’s not wild, I am fine with my actual plans and supplies, to some extent) to avoid that.
That was in the past when I just was unable to leave any food… I easily leave some or even much if I don’t want it anymore, it’s great.
But I try to eat my meat at least as I started to have late night meat eatings so I suppose my body will miss it if I neglect it… And if I know I ate too little, I push too. But only if I still don’t mind it. I can’t really force myself and even subtle force is something I usually regret and I almost never regret anything I ate. (That’s not hedonistic.)
- The state of being satiated or sated, of being full, of being at maximum capacity
Nope. I won’t eat 2 kg of food every meal, that is insane. I couldn’t do it with my normal food either.
This is a stupid definition. Surely from someone who isn’t like me.
I almost never feel full (except with an empty stomach because of the logic of my body) and it’s great. Or IDK what full means, possible, I don’t care. I want perfect satiation, fullness isn’t so comfortable and energetic.
I had before carnivore (now I have no idea, it’s complicated and won’t think about it. oh and let’s assume I eat dense food so my stomach never reaches its maximum capacity):
hunger -> lack of hunger, still not good enough -> satiation, lowest level -> satiation, perfect -> satiation, complete. maybe fullness is here, maybe later -> too full -> impossible to eat more (without my inner hedonist committing harakiri first. but it loves to live so nope, it makes me stop).
Between perfect satiation and impossible to eat more there may be thousands of calories.
If I use too low-cal food/drink, I may reach stomach full capacity at any state, even at the first one when I am hungry. Not. Fun. I only remember 2 cases but it was horrible to wait for 10 minutes to eat something more, my hunger was too serious (one was after fat adaptation, doesn’t matter, I still can’t handle hunger when I am not well-fasted).
I got carried away again I fear. But these are lovely topics for me…
I wish to leave the topic for serious and more useful discussions.