NoCarbvember Adventure!


#261

you’re not dirty carnivore, you are relaxed carnivore. Dirty is eating plants :slight_smile: and you aren’t there so you are good on that one :wink: And the few times you ate other stuff is normal will changing over to zc…we all have a few backslides as we transition and if you want zc, in the end you will hold it well and move forward on it like you are, I think you are doing fab!

Kinda balance your thinking a tiny bit here cause you got 2 situations happening. A big step cutting coffee and cream AND going into the holiday season. So if keeping that coffee and cream means you can easily get thru the holiday in fine zero carb form, then maybe you require this crutch right now? As in with Jan. coming, tackle it then?

But you might have that constitution that can do both? These are personal decisions ya know and based on you and what can you tackle.

For me early on with zero carb plan, I had to not take on alot at all or I was gonna cave back to carbs in a flash. My only goal was get time under my belt on this plan OFF carbs and the only way I could do it was to hold plan tightly, eat a ton of meat/seafood and ‘not think too much’ cause when I tried to tackle more, like cut out all salt I went a tad ballistic, as in my thinking changed more to ‘omg how much more do I have to lose in my life from my foods’ and still be able to handle this big transition…so my mind went a bit wonky. I had to tell myself tackle getting and staying on the plan and get alot of time under my belt and mindset and body changed more before I could go all in and tackle stuff I wanted different. What changed me was time on plan…I dropped tea cause my body went weird on it, my mouth would kinda go dumb so I said this is gone. And some spices I started to just dislike over time. I never really ‘made a goal’ to ditch them, my body told me to ditch them actually so it wasn’t a forced goal on me to handle. Which I liked actually.

But again, we are all different. You could just cut cream back. Instead of a bigger splash, use a smaller one :wink: Drink less cups of coffee. Say 1 per day and that is your coffee and done.

I found the less I ever got in my own way on this plan as I adapted the better I did. But others tackled things fast, like dumped coffee fast, dumped salt fast and other things they handled all while changing into this plan. I had to take a slower approach.

I hope some of that chat helped you a bit :wink: I think it boils down to you and how you handle things, you either go in for the fast attack and ‘get’er done’ or ya need some time to let some changes just come naturally from your body and eating plan, plus with the holidays coming, I always use a strategy of ‘stay on plan simply’, eat very well, and just ‘get the hell’ thru the darn holidays packed with food at every turn and I allow this time for me to do just that. It is what works for me personally.

I think of Nov and Dec as ‘be careful on changes I want’ months cause they are the holiday times kicking around and I never want to be stressed or off my eating game in any way to blow my mindset in any way. I have 10 months out of the year to experiment on me without the darn holidays looming on top of me. So 2 months I stay very tight, eat big, just cruise as easy as I can to make it to Jan. and all clear LOL
Just how I get thru all of it :slight_smile:


(Kellyn ) #262

I love this. I tend to jump into things too quickly. I have to change my mindset on this that I am in this for the long haul and the weight will come off when it comes off. I like the idea of waiting on tightening my eating up until I get more time on plan under my belt. The holidays are hard and staying on plan is my main goal. :white_check_mark: I like the title relaxed carnivore better. :smirk:

I think I will try cutting back my coffee first. I have 3 cups a day currently. I will cut that down to two and then later cut back the amount I use for each cup. Great idea, @Fangs, thank you.


#263

cool

holiday time can be funky for alot of us.

just chill thru it best you can and eat very well and cut your coffee back but slow and easy.

by Jan. you have more zc time under ya, you have coffee more under your control and it really is not alot of time…heck our NoCarbvember will be over before ya know it, fly thru Dec and in Jan…take on some changes you want. You have mental time to prepare and walk slowly toward those changes!

You hold this plan and believe me you will change dramatically over time. We zc all do! And when we realize it all and the good benefits we do get as we just hold plan and continue forward, we think, omg like a year ago no one would tell me I would be feeling so great, losing lbs, even if slow, we lose them, body toning and shrinking even if the scale doesn’t move alot, and we change a whole bunch. Into new people truly. You keep on rockin’ it KP!


(Daisy) #264

I’m almost at a year on carnivore right now, really over a year, but I fell off over the holidays last year. But I am not Kelly hogan, @Elizedge, and @Fangs strict. I eat 99.9% strict carnivore, but willing to eat the occasional fruit or vegetable. It’s very rare that I do, but it happens and I never beat myself up over it. But I’m going to attempt a minimum of 8 months with absolutely nothing off plan. If I’m seeing miraculous things, I will keep going. If nothing miraculous happens, then I won’t beat myself up over my local seasonal produce lol


(Kellyn ) #265

That’s great, @Ketodaisy. I always beat myself up when I go off plan. I have found though that with carnivore, I don’t continue eating off plan after a meal that I did. I was never able to do that before. I thinking one of the reasons is that I love meat so it is not difficult to get back on plan by eating a lot of meat. lol


#266

Hey I had my crazy times. My first year on zc was insanity. I ate a bunch of crap off plan and many a times fighting to get back on zc.

then year 2 I settled alot more but I had holiday times I caved. I had vacation times I caved, but with that amt of time on plan I got back on plan so much easier.

year 3 I ‘attacked’ tighter. I went all in zc. Never looked back. Cause my body is there to help me now…my mind is clear to on what eating plan I do want so that is where I am at now.

So I am heading into year 4 in alot better place than I was in year 1 and 2 for me personally.

KD if you do zc and decide to add some stuff back later and be carnivore adjacent not a darn thing wrong with that. That might be your long term plan that suits you to a T like my zc ways suit me now.

We all got good options that suit all of us.


#267

you are changing. same for me that way. longer I held zc tight when I did cave I got back on plan fast and steady. but we do have to watch that cause if I went off too much and pushed it, I had to fight like crazy to get back on zc.

but now, longer time you have, the easier it is to get back and feel better faster after eating stuff.

I could go eat something crappy right now and be fine LOL but I ain’t going there ya know LOL…I always say my plan suits me so well I don’t have to go there anymore. but yea the fight is real for all of us.

but we get thru it and change to the better as we eat and eat well on zc. Magic to it all is keep on eating well and we heal the insides and we gain big control over foods again and I love that. I have control where the food used to truly control me. I like having that control back :slight_smile:


(Daisy) #268

This actually all makes me feel way better. I may very well stay :100: carnivore. I would love to reach my body goals and if this gets me there then that would be amazing. My health is already at top notch. The handful of times I’ve eaten fruit or veggies, I have no issues from it.
I’m already decided that actual cheats can’t happen anymore and I have no desire for them, but I had just the one cheat last month in almost a year. I don’t consider the others to be cheats at all, as they were part of MY plan, though not the carnivore plan lol. I try to avoid labels, as they tend to work bad mojo on my already tainted brain haha. But if all meat, all the time, never a fruit or veg ends up being what is optimal for me, I’ll do it until it’s not optimal!


(Vic) #269

Citaat

Dinner:

Broth
Brains
Liver

Hope I don’t get banned now :open_mouth:

Love reading all the posts above, can so relate to it all. Thanx.


(Kellyn ) #270

Sounds carnivore to me. lol
I have not ventured past liver in the organ meat game. What do brains taste like?


(Daisy) #271

Haha why would you get banned, that’s awesome! I wish I had access to brain


(Vic) #272

Hi Kellyn. I’m also a coffee addict. Still on 8 to 12 cups a day.
Tried to quit many times and failed.
Did manage to cut back by making the coffee much lighter and add even some more hot water.
No more coffee after 4pm also helps me back off a little bit.
Must admit that coffee has no negative effect on me ? Maybe thats why its so hard to quit?


(Vic) #273

Very fatty and muchy. After all its almost pure cholesterol and fat. Its one of the most filling things. 150grams and you’ll be full for the next 6 hours.


(Kellyn ) #274

wow, my mom and dad drink about that my cups a day as well. I usually drink 3 cups a day, but I put 4 tbsp HWC in it. It’s delicious and satisfying. I drink one at home first thing in the morning, one when I get to work, and one after lunch. Although I think I drink more on the weekends.

interesting. I am not sure if I could stomach it.


(Vic) #275

Ask your local butcher.
There is so much out there to try in the animal kingdom.
I will try to get a hold of lung soon, never had that. Trying new things is fun :wink:


#276

Oh yeah, it’s powerful. I came a very long day since I left high-carb about a decade ago and I am usually super good with food I see all the time in my home. But some special thing, once a year that we even find quite nice or just mandatory to try for some reason… That’s something else. It was one reason I went off keto all the time. One chance in a long time!
The carbs on keto worked against me, not like I wanted to stay on keto much, it felt just like low-carb, just harder. I stalled the same too. But I did it just not always :slight_smile: Without those odd times I wouldn’t be here.
But at least I learned to try things in moderation. Certain things. I always ate cakes in excessive amounts. Maybe not the last time… And it just gets better.

I am with Fangs, coffee and cream sounds good for the holiday and then it will be safer to cut it out.
If you suddenly become all determined and do it, that’s another thing, of course. I cut cream and coffee because I built a big determination for November and it’s easy now. I tried to cut out coffee before and I couldn’t. But it’s different now and not only because I have no coffee (for drinking… if I would really WANT coffee, I would drink the little I have left and buy some more… but it still helps that I theoretically have none). I have momentum. I am the type who cut out multiple things at once and it’s easier that way. I can’t make a huge jump (how anyone goes from HCLF to keto, I can’t imagine) but a big one is possible.

Cream and coffee are almost together for me. After one week without coffee and cream, I bought cream… And made whipping cream (uh-oh… it’s very triggering). I lasted for a while but I had a nice coffee with lots of cream but it was a conscious and quite optimistic but safe enough decision. And now I don’t drink coffee again while I still have cream. Yay. But I need this super controlled November for this to happen this very early after my zillion coffees a day times. Coffee drinking is an extremely strong habit of mine. It’s a small wonder it went this smoothly. It helps that I have no physical attachment to it, just mental but mental things are strong too.
I drink a lot of tea now though. Fine for me for now, it surely will change later.

It probably works for others… And so not for me :slight_smile: I must just forget about coffee (and not having it in the house). I imagine that not drinking it for weeks (or very rarely) will help a lot… I build new habits.

November seems pretty easy to me, that’s why I do this in November as January, the Perfect Month for VLC for me is so very far away! :slight_smile:
December is the “I don’t even try” month but maybe next year. I mean, I don’t try a full perfect month as it’s just as ideal for many carnivore days as the other winter months. Way better than June or September. But it’s possible to do it well if we are determined. Holidays don’t affect me more than a simple relative visit but it’s easy for me as I don’t like the Christmas menu at the Christmas family dinner on the 24th. But I don’t mind it as the celebration is not about eating. I will have my cute carni lunch/dinner on the 25th in my own home and I will enjoy that. We will have salmon, Alvaro sometimes mention it already, we haven’t had it ages ado. It’s not much tastier than our normal, way cheaper food but different so it’s worth it occasionally. We both value variety. Sometimes I eat something for variety, ignoring even the tastier options.

And we will order a piglet for New Year’s Eve from the pig farm. A small one (it’s still as heavy as a half sheep from the beef farm, it’s much for us, we can’t roast it at once and our freezer is still small) :slight_smile: It’s very traditional to have it then and I NEVER had it!!! Life is cruel for intelligent, playful, cute and tasty piglets. But at least they actually had a kind of nice life (albeit short) on the farm. And I am selfish.
So I will have the absolutely best food for me then.

So I have plans for that time but before the 25th…? That’s unclear and I imagine my November will heavily influence it. I will be at home all the time as usual (except on the 24th) so it will be just other winter months I suppose. I never was social… Holidays are normal except Oti gives us chocolate and baked goods but Alvaro dealt with the majority of it in the previous years too…
I had zillion carby Decembers even after I went low-carb. I don’t need another one, seriously.
But I won’t be “perfect”, I know that. Well, suspect. But I would be very very surprised. Next year have way better chances but I am not there yet now. But I am quite hopeful I won’t go crazy this December.

It’s a totally mental thing for me. If I am very determined, then it’s easy, I don’t get tempted.
But if I have doubts if it’s worth it… I don’t want a badge or near perfectness, it means nothing to me. I want good deals. I want it to worth it for me. If I am SURE it’s the right way and not even a little off is worth it, it’s easy, at least zillion time easier. It’s complicated.


(Daisy) #277

It’s banned where I live. It’s actually NOT banned, but it used to be banned and no butcher here will touch it. Trust me, I’ve tried! I butchered my own chickens this summer, so I got the chicken brains, but that was 2 tiny little rooster brains lol!


(Kellyn ) #278

Thank you for your advice, @Shinita Shinita. When I do decide to cut it out I will have to make sure I drink all the coffee and cream and have and just not buy any more. It will definitely be easier to go without when I have none. lol So I agree with you and @Fangs, I will wait until after the holidays to reign things in.


#279

The half goat had lungs (we got half a goat and a full set of organs)… I think I never will try lungs again (except chicken).

Try it and you will see, liking organs is very very individual :smiley: I love livers but it matters which animal, I probably like heart (only had chicken, tiny lil thing), chicken brain was nice and I would gladly taste some other, bigger brain :smiley: I eat skin in small amounts, variety! And I am not particularly interested in the others but I never say never. I like to try things. But liver is still the best I think. But many people dislike it.

I eat every organ of a fowl, they are all okay.

I postponed the butcher visit but I am very very curious what I will found there!


(Vic) #280

Got some fresh fish liver from the northsea comming my way. A local fishermen is saving some for me. Wish I could share some with you. Very tasty.