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(Terence Dean) #104

I’m not a doctor so I don’t give advice on health related matters, this forum as it states says we are all welcome to explore the science and share personal experiments, successes, failures, etc which is what I’ve been doing. Just because I asked a question doesn’t mean I cannot share what has happened to me on my personal journey with Ketogenics, and I’ll continue to do so unless an admin tells me I am way out of line.

For all those people who cannot eat fruit because they have some condition that does not allow it, I apologize and please ignore my comment about the fruit. To emphasize my point again my plan is what I do, and it does not mean anyone or everyone should use it, pretty sure I’ve said that already.

Anyway this thread has gone off topic and I’d like to see someone help @MonkeyNuts out with her issues if they can.

(Lonnie Hedley) #105

It says right in that beginning blurb “the only criteria is to remain in a state of ketosis”. Which extremely few can do if including fruit.

I believe the amazing @Brenda would agree.

(Terence Dean) #106

I’d suggest you read the whole post, not just the part that supports your argument. The oldies know best! Pearl clutchers…lol. What a classic post by Brenda.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #107

The Cavendish variety is not as good as the Gros Michel, the original export banana, but if packed carefully and shipped gently, it can survive to market. Almost no other variety of banana can. The Gros Michel is practically extinct (except possibly for a few seeds preserved in laboratories), the world’s supply having been destroyed by a fungus. The Cavendish is a hybrid that almost never seeds and is propagated by cuttings, so it is even more vulnerable to the fungus, which has now mutated to attack it. It won’t be long now before there are no more bananas on the world market.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #108

I’ve been in ketosis for over a year and am American. I’ve never had constipation or diarrhea since going keto (except a couple of days of diarrhea from a bout of food poisoning). I suspect that some people consider themselves constipated if they don’t have a bowel movement every day at the same time of day.

(Empress of the Unexpected) #109

That could be. But I’ve read so many threads relating to giving birth to baby bricks… I am going to experiment with digestive enzymes and try cutting all dairy. I seem to have no problem with olives, avocados, nuts, seeds and fatty meats. I will try staying away from oils and dairy.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #110

Lastly, on the matter of fruit. Fruit contains fructose (science for “fruit sugar”), but it also contains fiber, if you eat the whole fruit and don’t juice it. Even Dr. Robert Lustig, the anti-fructose crusader, is on record as saying that whole fruit is okay, because the fiber slows down the rate at which the fructose gets absorbed to a rate that the liver can safely metabolize. However, he strongly advises against juicing, because it destroys the fiber.

Anyone who is familiar with what happens to glucose and fructose in the body (and remember that sucrose is a molecule of each, bonded together) will want to keep consumption of any kind of sugar to the absolute minimum possible. I certainly do, at any rate!

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #111

Forgot to mention that low sodium is a cause of constipation, along with the “keto flu,” but most people who’ve been keto for any length of time know to get enough sodium and to drink to thirst, which eliminates the problem.

(Empress of the Unexpected) #112

Oh, I didn’t think of that. But I should have since I have read about salt flushes on the forum. Gosh, maybe I’m overdoing the salt. I tend to eat it like candy!

(Bubba) #113

Hmm that’s interesting…I have half teaspoon of salt and half teaspoon of lo-salt but by the sounds of it, that’s no way near enough?
I never salt my food, never have done, but i also don’t have more because I’m scared off the dangers of having too much??

(Ron) #114

@MonkeyNuts - half of teaspoon of lo-salt is enough but you can up you regular salt.

(Bubba) #115

I will then, thank you!

(Terence Dean) #116

Here’s a screen shot of an example of Dr. Stephen Phinney’s lo carb diet for a day.

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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0NE8WEH44A&t=75s

(Bubba) #117

Thank you, that’s very handy to see…mind you, the percentages look odd for protein, considering the menu. But good too see anyway👍
I’m still plodding on, couple more pounds down…so it’s moving slowly, well on and off, on and off but ok I guess. Though oddly, no change in measurements :thinking:

(Terence Dean) #118

Congratulations every little bit adds up over time. I would recommend listening to Phinney, and reading his articles, he’s been in Ketogenics for over 40 years, and does a really good job of explaining the science and what is happening to the body. I should have watched more of his Youtube videos before now. Anyway great news that you are moving the marker, well done! KCKO :keto:

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #119

Not catching your meaning: are you saying that the menu looks like more than 600 calories of protein, or less than 600?

What does look odd, however is that 600 calories of protein is 150 grams, which sounds a bit high for someone as lean as Dr. Phinney. His total mass is nowhere near 150 kilos, much less his lean mass.

(Terence Dean) #120

He says in the video that his daily calorie intake is somewhere between 2700-2800 kcals because he is very active, so perhaps he’s trying to build muscle? I’m certainly not going to argue with him.

The chart that is displayed after his menu I also found interesting because it clearly shows that in order to lose weight, you need to spend more calories than you are eating daily, and to maintain and not lose weight the daily intake kcal/day should balance the expenditure kcal/day.
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(Bubba) #121

Well that’s not only interesting but highly confusing too!

Ive read numerous times on here that calories in/calories out is total rubbish and we are to ignore that. Also that strenuous exercise isn’t recommended because of it causes spikes.

So this is doing both against what ive been reading?? How utterly confusing!

#122

Well if you want a “legit” source, they don’t come better than doctors and pharma who want you to eat CARBS! If I had followed my doctors advice, I would still be type 2 diabetic, overweight, and looking forward in the future to leg amputations. As it turns out, my doctor now listens to me, and advises her other patients to KETO

Let go of the fear, and just know carbs will kill you faster than healthy fats. Its your choice.

(Ron) #123

You need to understand that most of what you read on this forum is directed to people that are metabolically damaged and looking for help and people that want to lose weight and are just starting the ketogenic WOE and want to become fat adapted. To accomplish these goals you need to make sure and eat enough calories within your suggested macro’s for these processes to take place. After adaption I think you will notice that this suggestion isn’t as promoted and many times contested in the path to weight loss. Don’t overthink it and remember once you are adapted you can try all avenues in your n=1 journey and find the road that suites you best. This is described as KCKO. :smiley::wink: