New article showing saturated fat from unprocessed food is not too bad


(Edith) #1

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #2

Thanks for the hard copy…

We heard about it the other day…


(Edith) #3

Oops! Thanks for letting me know. I’m sooooo behind the times!!! :woman_facepalming:


#4

It is also apparent that the health effects of foods cannot be predicted by their content in any nutrient group without considering the overall macronutrient distribution.

That should have been bolded in the abstract.

Whole-fat dairy, unprocessed meat, and dark chocolate are SFA-rich foods with a complex matrix that are not associated with increased risk of CVD. The totality of available evidence does not support further limiting the intake of such foods.

-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4261114/
-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5348671/
-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3672386/
-https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10524390/


(Bob M) #5

You’re seriously not citing those studies to “prove” whole fat dairy and chocolate are “bad”, are you?

I’ll counter the dairy with this:

A study using blood markers of dairy input, so no BS FFQs. They KNOW how much dairy the people had.

And I really don’t have time to counter the other ones.


(Edith) #6

The other two articles have nothing to do with the topic of the original article posted.


#7

Yup and this…

-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6115795/

I will place dairy in the trash at every chance I get because 60%+ of humans are allergic to it and FORCING it as a health food is insidious. It caused me serious Acne and Bacne throughout my teens which lead to serious psychological and developmental issues. Then fresh whole fat milk in Italy caused me to grow small patches of thick hair on my shoulders. Scarred for life by dairy.

Not directly but indirectly. Chocolate stimulates dopamine receptors. Withdrawal from chocolate causes anxiety. Anxiety is the result from a lack of dopamine in the blood stream. Dopamine regulates blood pressure and a lack of dopamine in the blood stream during chocolate withdrawal isn’t exactly “not associated with increased risk of CVD.” Chocolate doesn’t cause CVD when consumed daily but eating it sporadically is associated with an increased risk of CVD.

-https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.ATV.21.1.136


(Jane) #8

My great-grandparents could have told you that! Family farm where most of the food they ate they raised themselves, so the fat they made the biscuits and pies with was rendered from pigs and cows. Bacon and eggs were staples. Nobody in Linden, TX was dropping dead of a heart attack in the 1930’s - that was the next generation when Crisco and margerine became common and processed foods showed up on the shelves (and they had jobs in town after the Depression was over so could afford to buy it).

But hick relatives from East Texas don’t count, so glad there are some real studies showing up. Although I am grateful - because of them I never gave up eating butter, eggs and bacon even when it was vilified in the 70’s and 80’s.


(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #9

Is it the chocolate (cacao) itself, or the concomitant sugar that does the damage? And how do you know?

As far as I can tell, I get no dopamine response from unsweetened chocolate, whereas I get a strong dopamine response from the fructose in sugar, whether accompanied by chocolate or not.


(Edith) #10

This article also does not pertain to chocolate. It is only discussing anxiety and cvd.

The one article you did post about chocolate was really about the theobromine in chocolate and the effects of that were limited. The conclusion seemed to be that theobromine did have some negative effects at higher doses, but one would have to consume quite a large amount of chocolate to get the dose. It was “pleasurable “ at the lower dose of a typical chocolate bar.

I wonder if you actually read the articles you cite, because they really don’t cover what the post is discussing.


(Bacon is a many-splendoured thing) #11

Interestingly, theobromine and caffeine are chemically related, belonging to the class of methylxanthines. Among their other properties, they are bronchodilators.

As a rat owner, I know that the standard bronchodilators prescribed by vets are the methylxanthines theophylline and aminophyilline (a derivative of theophylline), and we are advised to keep an emergency supply of dark chocolate on hand to give our pets in case of respiratory distress (because of their poor genetics, domesticated rats tend to have various types of respiratory problems).

Unfortunately, as you say, the quantity of chocolate needed for a human being to experience any positive or negative effects from the theobromine and caffeine contained therein would be quite large.