I get ya on that. I also don’t ‘get assualted’ by a huge taste change but I can taste a difference. On pork I notice it more heavy for some reason, maybe cause pork in a way has ‘less flavor’ than beef to me actually. ??

but ya know in that spice aisle there are tons of options to ‘try’ if you wanna play around a bit. I went thru alot of spices and in the end, not alot of them thrilled me at all, but I did hold a few to my liking tho.

(Michael) #88

First plate today was 6 oz beef heart, 1.1 oz tallow, 1 oz mussels, 2 oz snails and 6.7 oz pork belly. Had 4 eggs and cheese later.

(Judy Thompson) #89

Hi, I’ve lurked and now have read (most) everything. Last time I posted we were in February!

We have house guests, hubby’s brother and sis in law. I was worried about them judging my woe but these days you just say “animal based diet” and people leave you alone! Magic!

A well ago today we ate at the BJ’s restaurant chain and they gave us a ton of ice cream and I ate a bowl! Weird of me, and 2 days afterwards I had a sore on the side of my tongue that made swallowing difficult. It only lasted a day but I’m happy for the instant karma that let’s me know sugar is NOT my friend.

At all other times, for most of 14 months, my ZC behavior has been sterling.

Tomorrow night we start the long gigs of the weekend again. I’m glad to be 50 lbs lighter - I couldn’t have done these 5 hour performances before, I’m quite sure!

Here is some of the food I’ve had over the last week or 2:

Today we were in town with our guests, went to a western store and got a nice long duster to wear on gigs, had wings at the brewery, and then we went to the WW2 museum where we will play next weekend. They were so happy to meet us! It looks like we will be playing events for that museum, the Nimitz, which has helped to put this town on the map.
We’re always happy for any extra exposure. It looks like Texas is finally coming together for us!


@Naghite: Except the tallow, it would be a plate I would like to have! :slight_smile: What are the snails like in this way? I only ate those white things with almost the consistency of butter…

Wow. 5 hours, that’s serious. Of course I have no idea what such a thing can be like but it sounds quite much!

:frowning: I miss the choir sometimes. We went to places, made people happy for a while (especially the ones in the nursing home, the caregivers told me they talked about it for weeks afterwards and it raised their spirits)… I don’t even sing at all now. And still ignore my keyboard. I shouldn’t.

My daffodils are almost blooming!!! A few days and we will have many! I enjoy a sunny day, tomorrow the temp drops by 10 Celsius, forecast says, it probably would slow down the flowers again… Or they can’t be stopped anymore at this point? They are almost there, the hyacinths are improving every day too!


@JJFiddle, great post to read :slight_smile: I am like you, sugar just isn’t an option any more. With an elimination menu like carnivore we sure see what adding back some junk does to us. I feel ya on that :slight_smile:
Sounds like you are in a fantastic place professionally and personally and that makes me smile when I read your posts. Rock on!!

This sounds you had darn fun with your food making all this and enjoying every bit of it. Love it!!!

-------------------first meal. 2 cheeseburgers and 1/2 lb of bacon. In the mood. second ‘feeding’ who knows. Nothing is coming to mind kinda. I feel so in the ‘could not care less’ mode but for some reason those crabs are now calling my name since I thought while typing, what do I got in the freezer and I remembered I bought snow crab legs…hmmm…maybe a reversal. Crab first thing and then burgers. OK my zc day is set :sunny:

haven’t bought snow crab legs in so long cause of price and I won’t even know how to act when I get them in front of me…OH YES I WILL…I WILL DEVOUR those suckers HA

(Robin) #92

I am such a squeamish baby, the only thing I would eat on that plate is the pork belly. And lots of it.

(Robin) #93

What a fun life you lead! Going for your dreams, actually making them happen, and traveling MUCH lighter! Happy for you.


I got hungry at 11:30 so I am totally amazed I lasted until 13:40 :smiley: It wasn’t hard though, I just felt I need my lunch :wink:

My meat wasn’t quite ready yet but not exactly raw… I still focused on other things.

I had 4 meatballs with scrambled eggs (3… too few), cheesy carni biscuits, a piece of pork with the same amount of turkey sausage :smiley: As the roast was very lean and only spent an hour in the oven so it was quite bland but with the sausage it was pretty much edible. I could have fried it in the pan but I was hungry at that point and wanted to eat right away.
I had an egg milk (with a little coffee in it. and proper milk too) as well.

Quite simple from me but when I will have some properly fatty fresh roast, it will be truly simple…

I stopped making sponge cakes. It’s a refreshing change. They surely will come back but it’s nice not needing them all the time.

Alvaro has a vegetarian day today. But maybe he will help with this lean pork later. If not, I have plenty of ideas, it’s just a pity to eat meat I don’t find highly palatable on its own… Unlike usual. Perfect for Alvaro though so if I get some fatty meat tomorrow (surely I will), I roast that for myself.
And it seems we will have 2 young rabbits again next week… Alvaro asked if we can fit 2 into the freezer. Obviously. I make that happen. I have space there now and 1800g deer and the other stuff won’t be so much in volume. I don’t need to buy very much meat in the city nowadays as the local supermarkets have great sales quite often. It’s convenient.


i also did not lose weight on carnivore at first until i actually started consciously tracking my nutrition and controlling my portions+proportions of protein/fat. but the difference now (compared to from before when i was not on carnivore) is carnivore makes maintaining my desired weight a non-issue whereas with carbs i could easily put the weight back on (like dozens of pounds) within a matter of weeks. i don’t need to think about re-gaining weight because carnivore naturally maintains my current weight. the only time it did not was when i was fighting against it and over-did the weight loss and was in the single-digit bodyfat % range. i was lifting weights for several hours every day and was actually getting weaker and losing energy even though i was absolutely shredded because i mistakenly associated fitness level with health. while there’s a correlation of course, you know what they say about too much of a good thing being bad like everything. my physician was concerned about my test levels being dangerously low so i stopped doing whatever i was doing and started just doing normal carnivore actually naturally brought me back to a normal bodyfat % in the teens and my weight stayed approximately the same within the range i wanted, but my mood/energy went back to the upper levels


I definitely track. Control isn’t my thing though :slight_smile: It must come naturally to me or else it won’t happen :wink: Okay, I can push a tiny bit but it’s more like for fasting (and if I get an urge, I probably will eat anyway). If I start to eat… There’s no stopping until I eat a lot. And it’s fine, it’s how my body works and that’s why I try to do OMAD - or TMAD is I manage to have small enough meals, I have plenty of such days too (it’s usually a bigger first meal and a tiny second one but not always).

Maintenance is what I normally do but I never was slim. So I have no idea what it would take to keep that. I would LOVE to try out. I always was chubby, all my life, my anchestors too though I went farther (nothing very extreme, about 180lbs/80+ a few kg was my heaviest, I was unable to eat enough on HCHF to get fattier and it’s the style where I eat the most. I wasn’t ever shy with food. I just wasn’t vain so I never tried to eat little until I met my SO who slimmed down years before. I tried then, failed and just kept eating to my heart’s content. or maybe it wasn’t perfect for my heart, it’s possible with my eating everything but meat woe).

Now that I am older and my body surely changed to some extent, I probably even would get fattier on HCHF. If I could eat like in my past and I am quite far from that… Eating whatever (what I like, as much as I like except I instinctively try to not get overboard but I don’t do this well) doesn’t result in fat gain, I experienced that. But a forceful high-carb diet probably would make me up to 80kg in a few years again and I would just maintain there. It’s just 5-6 kg more…

But I want to lose fat. And gain muscle. And ENERGY and chill and not too expensive but the best tasting ever food. I don’t want miracles or the mentioned ones immediately :smiley: But I have standards.

(Michael) #97

The snails are fried for a few minutes and are not soft, more chewy I guess my dog will not eat them due to texture. I like ‘em though, good enough at least.


Sounds good, @Naghite! :slight_smile: My soft snails were meh. But I like chewy in many cases, a good texture can even comfort me if the taste is meh :wink: It’s so great we have various textures on carnivore if we want :slight_smile: Tender and chewier meat, crunchy too sometimes, creamy, soft and firm, even hard dairy… Fluffy sponge cakes… I missed them today but I had to cook a lot for Alvaro (simple things but still) and roast/fry things for me, there was a lot of doing the dishes so I just hadn’t mood/energy to bake too. But it will happen soon!

I had a cute sized dinner (and some little snack before and after). Not like I have ANY idea about the macros, I can’t guess such things if my life depends on it.
I had half of my chicken leg (with its crispy skin, 2 hours were enough :)), a piece of pork roast (the second hour made it better but of course, it’s still lean and not as juicy as sometimes… but the fatty not-so-liquid below helps a lot, the pork may be lean but the chicken is fatty so the sticky thing beneath are tasty and fatty and helps with the pork. but it has some own fat, that’s precious, it would be horrible without that!) and a cheese whisp. And egg milk.
I only ate as much as I needed to stop being unsatiated as I had no very tempting options now. But it was okay.

I refuse to track on the same day, I wait until I am sure the day is finished and I can’t do it before I go to sleep… I am quite sure I am finished but nope, I learned my lesson. I hate taking many extra measurements because I ate again and again and again…
But I can’t not track day to day yet, apparently. Too curious.
Oh well. I still aim simple and then it’s no big deal.

(Michael) #99

Today’s first plate was 1 oz Buffalo liver, 1.4 oz tallow, 2 oz snails, 4.5 oz beef heart and 10 oz pork hock. Bit low on fat, so may make scrambled eggs with heavy cream in a bit.


@Naghite: I can say what last time, I would love to eat it all expect the tallow. Do you eat the skin of the hock too? I do but usually not as it is but as I did today and yesterday, in meatballs.

Guesstimation says I ate about 1100 kcal more than yesterday… I blame the chicken…? (Nope, that’s not right, looking at its numbers.) And maybe my 4 meals though 2 was almost nothing. Oh. Well. It’s actually quite fine, yesterday I barely ate and today I had a nice upper body workout while yesterday had a longer walk than today! If I keep my average like these 2 days, it will be perfect.

How people can stay in a less than 1000 kcal range calorie wise I have no idea :smiley: I can’t even do 2000 if we talk about really long term. Not like it’s necessarily a problem.

I overate protein again (but it’s below 200g, even 180 and I call that a small success these days) and I only ate half of the chicken leg (well yep it wasn’t high because of the little chicken), I moderated myself so much! :smiley: It was a huge chicken leg but half of it took barely any time to eat (it would have been true for the whole 400g without bone thing.) Chicken is a very easy snack.

I still can’t understand why amateur bodybuilders talk about protein being so expensive we should just eat the bare minimum for muscle gain (that’s a decent amount but I eat WAY more, obviously even when I don’t lift a finger, something I never do anymore)… If we choose our food well, it’s not so expensive, I am sure many people spend more on drinks (even if it’s just water and coffee) than my whole food cost… And people smoke and that’s buying bad health, who is rich and anti-hedonistic for that? And they buy so stupid overpriced items so often… But some decent amount protein is so very expensive? Yep, it’s more expensive than fat but that’s about it. Carbs are expensive too and less useful, okay, to me, at least.

But yes, I should lower my protein. I am aware. I think I lost the plot some time today. Maybe it’s my very low energy level again. My last 2 days weren’t good regarding that. Spirit okay, mental focus and energy level horrible, the former is probably due to the latter. I feel exhausted. It’s good I could do my workout. I think I need to do it earlier, not around/after noon especially when I have eaten little the previous day so I get hungry earlier. But my workout still went well, it’s not always the case. I will try to do it earlier. It will be an even longer time between it and my next meal though…

I think too much again I think. Or write. I should go to bed already, we plan to go early to catch the clothing market in the city! Sadly, our village or the town where Alvaro works has no market but 2 villages away there is one. A tiny one but Anna from the pig farm is there and someone sells eggs! And I never was there, only Alvaro.

Have a nice day, everyone, I come back with lots of lovely food tomorrow! :slight_smile: Aspic from Alvaro’s Mom too! :smiley: She always makes a lot and I go through it very quickly every time as the biggest part is just some aspic, not many calories but highly enjoyable… Yum.

(Michael) #101

Of course I eat the skin. I went crazy and added a pinch of salt :wink:. Tastes great as is, I pressure cooked it for two hours and it fell off the bone onto my plate.

(Karen) #102

Sorry a couple of days off site and whoa 58 posts will try to be more regular then i might be able to read everything!!!

Some of my food over those days away but even forgetting to take the pics … got out of the habit a bit! :roll_eyes:

Exercise wise still push up-ing and shoulder working daily and yesterday did the tea famce at Lichfield which was superb and then went to the local, round the corner, evening dance which wasn’t as hood. We have a cold snap … snow stopped play thursday so our planned tea dance that afternoon was cancelled and last night the temp was due t9 plummet to -5 ehich stopped many people coming out to the evening damce so ot was a bit flat with so few turning up … wasn’t getting so cold till middle of night but some folks obviously didnt want to risk it. Plus i have had to come yo the conclusion that what was once easy to achieve (2 dances in 1 day) is now not so easy and i felt really exhausted when i finaly got home. I am sure had i been up dancing more than sitting last night (they played a number of dances Raymond didnt know) i would have been able to keep the energy levels up but as it was my energy just got zapped! I danced a couple on my own which is fine when there’s more peeps on the floor but i kind of stood out a bit last night hahaha.

So last night i jad a bad night with rls and after first dropping off for about a couple of hours i was then Ping light bulb on and didnt get back to sleep till about 3am so had to cancel CrossFit this morning, just knew i would be too tired.

Ill Health Retirement Pension still not resolved, i have sent a request to Pension Ombudsman to investigate the travisty but some good news … i received my invitation to apply fo the State Pension so got that off straight away and hopefully will start receiving it shortly after my 66th birthday in June. Fingers crossed i don’t get any issues with that!

Off out to get breakfast with Raymond at the cafe.


@Karen18, yea if we step away a day or more the amt of posts to read is mind boggling to get caught up :slight_smile: So get ya on that.

Fab pics tho! You and Raymond have a blast at the cafe today!!

So sorry on your ‘government’ paperwork nightmare…can we all yell ‘red tape’ crazy at the same time LOL Sounds like things are moving a more good for ya tho!!

@Shinita, sounds like you are holding well and doing your plan in good form. More power to ya!! Glad you can ‘easily’ get those 2 rabbits into the freezer :wink:, I know I would stuff them in there any way I could too HA

----------------simple zc day. start day with ribeye steak. next meal family is wanting shrimp and they ‘do theirs’ with carby sides etc but I will make homemade alfredo sauce for my shrimp. done deal on the food for the day.

OMGosh my snow crab legs yesterday were fab. 2.8 lbs. I thought, hmm, but we know ALOT of that weight is the darn shell it self, I even tried ‘munching on them one time’ to ‘SEE’ if I could, but sadly no way HAHA yes us carnivores do try stuff like that :crazy_face::scream_cat:, but the amt of meat off that was great but the melted butter ‘kinda go me’ too much. I started with tons of dripping melty butter but in the end I finished the crab legs plain and no butter. I couldn’t take any more darn butter into my body :partying_face:

I got my fix. I feel very content and satisfied. I had one of those 'smack your lips and raise your hands to the cosmos, I was darn happy in my eating that food!!! Hey that is what zc is all about to me.

ZC Strong All!


i think i didn’t have to exert any control over my eating when i was losing weight because i did it so gradually. or maybe i have naturally low TDEE. but the difference between me maintaining 200 lbs/91 kg and 140 lbs/63 kg was approximately only 500 calories or so. but if i made the gap smaller like 200 lbs -> 195 lbs then it’s only like a 50 calorie difference, which is like a single bite of meat. i’m not sure anyone takes big enough bites where one bite makes or breaks their hunger level. so if i stopped taking the last bite every day, i didn’t feel different but eventually would lose 5 lbs over time. and then continue the chain down to my target weight. but if i wanted to do everything at once, to cut down 500 kcals immediately to achieve my goal faster i think i would find it difficult to do with such a noticeable change in my eating.


I stayed in the city to help a friend. They have joint pain and wanted to know how I regained my mobility after polyarthritis. It hurt to look at them and to speak to them. So, I listened.

They had had a recent blood test and the doctor said that they had high inflammation markers. To me, from what I saw and heard, I would, if asked at the granular detail level, suggest ruling out rheumatoid arthritis. But I listened.

I could hear what I thought were the mistakes. They followed the government dietary advice and became overweight. They indulged in a carb rich lifestyle with decades of alcohol consumption. The second part has reduced. They justified as convincingly as any teenager wanting to go on a sleepover or any addict gripped by cravings. I listened.

Crikey, who would be a functional health practitioner.

Their feet and hands were swollen. They are only 55 years old. They are taking pharmaceutical pain relief, Celebrex.

I did ask if they wanted anything from me.

They wanted to know that there was a way out of the pain. I said there was. They wanted to know how I did it. We talked. Then they said they couldn’t do it. They couldn’t even try it. Injured people may let slip hurtful words. Their pain speaks before them.

What I had done was, I spoke about seeking help. Finding the right support team. Communicating clearly to those around them. Medications might provide some relief. Diet and lifestyle adjustments have great potential. I did not mention fasting. Kept things general. My terminology was about seeking an elimination diet and using movement for pain relief. The moment it all broke was when they persisted and laughed that it all sounded simple. Simple is not easy, I cautioned. I gave more detail on the ZC, beef, salt, water for 1 day, then the next, then so on, for a trial of 21 days.

Despite sitting across the outdoor table from them, I ceased to exist. My words carried impossibilities. I slid sideways out of their reality and back into my fantastical world.

The city is toxic. I have not slept well. The people, even long-term friends, feed on me and drain my energy. I’m going back to Nature today to revive and replenish. I need to gather more armour and defences. Next week return. Battles are rarely decisive.

(Michael) #106

Today’s main plate

Thought I was going to have chicken liver but I grabbed the last of my lungs by accident.