A cardiologist’s nightmare!
Meat Chewin' June - June 2022 Carnivore Chat
FrankoBear
#235
Chicken soup last night plus some sliced smoked salmon rolled in Jarlsberg cheese slices. I call them cigars. Post (2hrs) salmon and eggs breakfast. Blood glucose 6.3mmol/L and blood ketone 0.1mmol/L.
Doctor’s appointment for a flu vacc, postCOVID cough control, organised some blood test requests for July, and health discussion. Have incidentally lost 9lbs this month. Amazing COVID diet. Tom, my doc, still holds to the idea that reducing calories in and increasing exercise is the way to lose weight. I agreed it is a way to lose weight. I said I felt a bit worn down with fighting off a virus infection to jump back on any treadmills.
… and a carnivore’s dream.
Fangs
#236
@EssenSturm
not sure what post you are referring to about a cardiologists nightmare? 
@FrankoBear
lost 9 lbs. 
when I was ‘dieting’ back in the day anytime I lost lbs. thru feeling sick and just starving them off mostly, I would say ‘hey sick lbs lost count too’. I hope you round the bend and start to come back on a good upswing and get over this mess you have nailing you!!
I remember your egg rollups. You ate alot of those when you started coming into carnivore long ago!
@JJFiddle
so right people don’t get it. interesting thing is if the person is ‘put on’ a maintenance plan, it will be interesting to see if they hold it. Most never do. That carb creep is OH SO real. So happy you are loving your lifestyle!
@Karen18, a happy people watcher! I like that. I think with the way your head works now that overwhelming loud conversations and action around you would truly hurt your head, smart to avoid that one. It does sound like a great time tho even tho everyone was invading your chicken wing eating time HA
-------for me still eating a bit strange. I have 0 desire for steak.
WTH? a few things I am sure. Summer and high heat. I just eat lighter anyway during this time so I think that is part of it. Anxiety and chaos and ‘the unknown’ coming at me I think is taking part of my appetite away. Which is probably alot better than old days when I would ‘feed the monster’ with crap and emotionally eat all the junk I could lay my hands on I guess
I feel bloaty and ‘thick’ and like my guts are off inside ya know. But I thought, might as well hit a weigh in since I haven’t checked in a good while and kinda didn’t want to thinking since I ‘feel like I gained weight’ but decided I best check me and I lost 2 lbs. Huh. I feel like I gained all bloaty and tired and discombulated in general, and I was sure I was up in some lbs, but I lost and I don’t even feel it at all.
yesterday I ate 3 scrambled eggs with bit of melty cheese and 7 thick cut bacon slices
then I defrosted Tbone steaks for us. hubby and kid ate their steaks and I said nope. I don’t want it. 0 draw to it so I ate 2 cans of tuna with mayo.
folding laundry yesterday I ate 6 slices salami and ate a few bites of leftover burger in the fridge along with a beef stick.
hunger level will hit raging sometimes and then when I go to hunker down into big meat I don’t want it.
while my eating is changed up and weird right now I am trying to learn little snippets about me and hunger and how I feel I get effected by my life and more in relation to food etc. I just find it interesting how we change thru whatever is happening to us and more ya know.
oh well…just mucking along!
today is visit to rehab/nursing home for MIL to bring her some items.
check in and see how all is going on her rehab and if she is walking more. I don’t get on deaths door one day with Drs saying all this bad and more and then in rehab days later and doing better and all? but who knows.
I need to hit grocery store on way home. Might grab me a big ol’ rotisserie chicken and call it a day. one for me and one for hubby
ZC strong guys…amazing that June is flying by so fast. July is coming and do we got any good July names? I barely remember June but at this point I say good riddance and move forward into that good future!
SecondBreakfast
#237
Each day has been a gift. Haven’t let much grass grow under my feet even tho I’m on vacation. Garden is pretty much completed, with the exception of a few transplants from the porch that need to get in there. We had high winds yesterday…54 mph. The last time that happened, all my tomatoes plants snapped off and died.
This year, to draw in some bees, I planted a small flower garden right in the center. Too lazy to build a raised garden bed, so I found a wood pallet behind the barn, slapped that bad boy down in the dirt and voila! I love growing things from seed, so with the exception of some yellow and orange marigolds, there are nasturiums (edible), giant pansies (also edible), Forget-me-nots, and one more I can’t recall…Asters mabe…
The garden, and cleaning sections of the house- those are my therapy sessions. Watching our 75lb shepherd puppy run around and chase houseflies is amusing as well. Feeling a bit crowded with things to do. Hubby has so much he has to do with his job, haying the field, chopping wood for winter…I pick up the slack. Honestly, at this point, I’ve no idea how I ever had time to work outside of the home!
We are going up to the lodge for a few days for our anniversary. Plan is to learn how to golf. (It has a 9 hole course). Go to the beach, relax a bit. (Its barely 1 hour away)
MIL contracted CDiff (2nd time) after being on another antibiotic for her 3rd UTI since the stroke. She is so weak. The staff is not performing oral care as the therapist instructed them. She has so much dried mucus in her mouth- she can hardly talk. I had enough of that and cleaned it myself last evening. Due to her weakened state, she was unable to do her swallow test last week. Hoping she improves this week. Since she is able to break down and swallow small ice pieces and popsicles, I made her popsicles out of coffee to use during therapy. She LOVES her coffee, and hasnt been able to have any since the stroke, except for a bit I put on the swabs for her. The therapist thought that was brilliant. Wish I’d thought of that sooner!
Dad is continuing to need support. He just called. got to go.
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#238
Not a good cardiologist! Go take a listen to Dr Stephen Hussey or to Dr Philip Ovadia. (I see you’re a fan of Dr Berry, he just recently did an interview with Dr Ovadia.)
I’m not sure if you realize that you’re in the carnivore corner of the Ketogenic forum but we’ve all thoroughly done our research on a carnivore diet, including listening to these brilliant minds in the field, plus many other brilliant doctors like Dr Berry and researchers. Above all that, we’ve learned from our own experience that plant based diets are not for us. They made us mentally and physically sick and now we’re thriving!
Fangs
#239
@SecondBreakfast
sending big 
No idea where a hug emoji is…but you are hitting it hard also!!
you sound very good thru it all and I applaud you big time.
I SO GET your farmer lifestyle and working outside the home at the same time you have SO much at home to handle. I did it all too!! You sound so competent and complete and I so love that about you!!
Pallets, oh yea, great for so much I used old stall boards for my kid’s little raised up garden, all from one stall that is deterioriating from the old barn LOL Made many a goat pen and more from pallets also when required for ‘fast what ya need’ when ya need it! 
Very sorry abut your MIL having issues. I know the nurses said my mom required that ‘oral care’ cause when in bad states everything dries out and I never knew all that but they handled her ‘being comfortable’ so when I read that I thought of my mom. And you ice chip coffee and more is so smart, hey, us types think of what does it take to make it work and you did it!!!
Sending prayers to your family all gets better and evens out for ya!!
Ketodaisy
(Daisy)
#240
Checking in to the group, I’ve mostly just been eating raw steak, raw hamburger, raw beef liver, and raw beef suet. Ate cooked food for a few days last week and probably will this week too. But I just feel so much better on raw! I’ll save you the pictures 
JJFiddle
(Judy Thompson)
#241
Ever since last summer when we had COVID I have told people, “I highly recommend the COVID diet.” GMTA!
carnivoor2
(Vic)
#242
A good friend and only Carnivore I know in real life is under constant frendly criticism from her brother in law, who is an MD. The fact that she lost 35kg and is very healthy now seems to be ignored.
It doesn’t seem to matter if she uses me as a reference and tells him that I havent been eating any veggie for many years. I lost 26kg and became very healthy.
I hope life brings us together one day so we can have a nice debate, perhaps I should organise a BBQ in the garden and invite them all over. I find it fascinating how smart people can be so stuck in their old wisdom.
Ofcourse I could be stuck in my wisdom as well, and have a deteriorating health in my carnivore lifestyle.
So lets measure blood pressure, after all i suffered hypertension.
Heart rate is 62 after 4 cups of morning coffee, it used to be above 90 all the time.
The scale reads 82 kg and I feel great. Guess I’m still doing more then ok in the health department.
I also charged my old Ketonix breath ketone meter and used it.
It still seems to work, very low ketosis is no suprise for a carnivore.
I will keep an open mind and evaluate my way of eating, but it seems like I will keep doeing this for another 5 years.
FrankoBear
#243
I your report Vic.
When I read Essen’s comment I read it with a winky face/ tongue-in-cheek vibe. Digging at the traditionally trained cardiologists, not so much we carnivores. 
If I was reading in German, EssenSturm translates as Eating Storm in Australian. (cool handle)
Chicken soup again tonight to soothe away this cold air sensitive cough. Lots of winter hydration in meaty soups. 3 eggs and bacon at 12 noon. 2 x coffee and cream, as had a work meeting and needed to have my brain clear and responsive. Steak last night baked in the cast iron oven atop the wood fire stove, also added in some smoked salmon for a bountiful surf’n’turf.
Fangs
#244
cool on the carnivore’s dream cause I wasn’t sure what it was referencing LOL but yea, alot of us carnivore’s have the best food dreams presented to ourselves all the time on a plate, we make sure of just that LOL
@carnivoor2
I just enjoyed the heck out of your post. You said it, preach it, never deny all the great benefits and yell them from the highest rooftop to others is all we can do
Great post!!
-------------watching that tv show ALONE last night and the guy harvested a beaver and was preaching life was meat and fat and all about the fat intake and how it is crazy life became no fat, low fat, eat crap food and sugar but no fat…he was like…what in the heck happened to this world? I was like…YEA MAN! AMEN! W
He said we are nothing without good fat in our bodies and I again was like, this guy gets it and said it on a tv show but who will listen I guess but I enjoyed hearing it!
----------busy busy and one more busy, just stuff on me to take care of and doing just that.
today is chicken. I am not putting much thought into food or defrosting or when I eat or ? But I got chicken available and bacon so I know I can make something real good with just that
July is coming, what names are we gonna vet out for it?
Carnivore Jubilee July? heehee
JJFiddle
(Judy Thompson)
#245
@carnivoor2 crazy that almost all the Carnivore experts and authors are MDs and yet here’s this guy giving her a hard time without checking any of the research. You’re stats alone should be enough for anyone to see it.
Busy days this week, nights get late and then there’s no way to concentrate on writing here; but I have been keeping up with reading - we are my favorite read 
Jerky Jubilee July? Hm not many meats start with J.
We finally got to the Brazilian Steakhouse on Sunday, called Texas de Brazil, oddly enough. I forgot my phone that day, so my daughter snapped a few. On the salad bar I found salmon, shrimp and prosciutto, then churriscos brought lamb, chicken, pork shoulder, rib eye, picanha, and some other things. Spring water and coffee. Hubby had a slice of pie that turned out to cost as much as a whole meal elsewhere. I’m glad I finally got to go.
Still whittling away on my roast tenderloin. Nights I’m eating a slice of braunschweiger and a chunk of sharp cheddar. Yesterday morning, a tuna and boiled egg salad.
Today I’m roasting chicken thighs.
There are country style pork ribs in sous vide that will be ready for lunch tomorrow.
We leave for Texas on Friday, will arrive there Sunday night, looking so forward to being back!
Karen18
(Karen)
#246
@JJFiddle so glad you got to go Brazilian yay😃 meat looks amazing. Was it cooked how you like it? I couldn’t fault any of the meats that I ate when my daughter took me to the one in Coventry!
Well i feel exhausted like I have had a week n a half in 2 days. Both work days both minus sleep the night before !
Had my Ill health retirement meeting with the #1 Gov. I am starting in Offender Management Unit (OMU) next a week on Wed, i have leave next week. Same bosses as are in charge of the restricted duties I have been doing since January just different job. #1 going to see me in a couple of months to see how I am getting on health wise but its the only job he is offering else its the retirement route. I feel okay with this as I was so on the fence about what to do. I will have my pay protected for 2 years so if i decide I am doing okay and don’t feel ready to retire after receiving state pension next year then I can continue another year knowing my pay won’t drop. Still 19.5 hours a week but not shift hours so instead of a 10 or 13 hour shift followed by an early or 8 hour shift I will be working 2 5 days each week. No weekends, same days every week (wed, Thurs, Fri morning, 7, 7 and 5.5 hour days) so I reckon the body and mind may adjust better and of course no weekends Yay! Lol I was totally fighting my corner Monday but today trying to sort out leave and what civi’s dresscode is and all the little trivial detail my new boss must have thought I was a right bumbling idiot. Wanted to cry but held it together, head felt like a shed though! So i left work to come home at 2pm and have pottered in the garden and then sat and did code and crosswords to take my mind off it all and watched the birds, watered the plants and deadheaded the flowers. I think I am doing the right thing.
Brunch was sliced cooked chicken with melted cheese and butter. Took 2 hard boiled eggs in but brought them home again.
Dinner was 2 beef burgers with a good sized knob of the special butter Yum!
coopdawg
#247
I have hypertension, but controlled now, depending on how stressed I am.
I immediately get stressed going for bloods and pressure readings, (white coat syndrome) ,so I bought a home monitor.
Much better results.
Although when I watch the news and drink alcohol, which usually coincide, my heart rate can be 100+ easily.
Shinita
#248
Alvaro did it differently 
He slimmed down super quickly by starvation and kept it by being careful on his original diet afterwards (he used to include short, quick diets once in a blue moon but he can do without now). But he is an exceptional case, I am aware. AND there was a slight change, obviously his original diet and activity would trigger getting fat again. He gains fat very quickly and easily if he overeats unlike me. And his metabolism must have been slow right after his stunt… The first years weren’t so easy back on his not very health conscious HCHF…
Later when he was kind of slim but some pot belly started to reappear, he used the exactly same diet for losing fat. Skipping dinner is super effective for him. It’s (almost) all about calories for him, even his satiation is like that. Okay, he couldn’t get satiated without his protein and fat (or on high-fat low-carb, well he can but overeats and gets sick. fatty protein just can’t satiate him well while it’s the best for me. and we are both humans. amazing) but it doesn’t matter if his food is 5% carbs or 90%, a fixed amount of calories brings long term satiation. I still can’t my head wrap around that though it makes sense, our body uses the energy in food… Mine is a weirdo getting hungry from a ton of carbs (while totally using it)…
And he badly needs much exercise to keep his figure. Hopefully he never need to slow down much, he can’t eat even less than what he does now. So exercise is vital. But it’s good anyway, it’s just sad he is forced to do it. I am not BUT I am chubby so… We will see what comes later (muscles I hope. I won’t be able to little enough when slim without muscles and exercise I suppose :D).
It can’t be interpreted for me. I don’t do dieting. I almost never lose fat, never was slim, maintenance is the easiest thing for me by FAR (both losing and gaining is near impossible though I could do the latter, super slowly and with great effort, at least I had a method in the past, maybe I couldn’t do it anymore, it’s possible) - but my main goal is health, well-being and more energy anyway. So I go for a healthy woe, fat-loss be damned, basically (even though the two are strongly correlated, yay. It’s really an idiotic thing for me to eat wrong, it only causes problems on all levels).
But my old woe really didn’t encourage keeping a right body composition either. But I never saw that from any woe of mine, it’s just probable I hardly would gain fat with carnivore without really, really wanting it. But as I never ever was slim beyond my first months of my life, I don’t actually know. But still am sure it will be super easy to maintain, I just need to lose fat somehow, stay somewhat active and don’t stray too far too often…
I definitely need to be way stricter if my goal is losing, maintenance is super easy. My body hates calorie deficits when I eat below 2000 kcal (it must be a tad more flexible but around here, my body has these stupid things with fixed numbers). Eating as much as I need sounds easier and yep, it is. And I maintain if I eat some more anyway… As long as my body likes the current state I suppose… I never could maintain less than 69kg BUT I couldn’t keep my carbs below 40g net a day back then, it would be easier now I imagine.
My weekend was informative. Now I know I really should be careful, I STILL can eat very wrong occasionally under the wrong circumstances. It doesn’t even make sense to me, I thought I lost those compulsions. It wasn’t soooo enjoyable as I didn’t eat what I like (it was nice tasting but carnivore food is even better) and ate when I was too full (not the right word, whatever. but that was because I NEEDED my usual type of fatty proteins so I did it right I ate those, the mistake was made beforehand).
So I wasn’t a good hedonist. Now I came back to whatever I am able to do now. Almost carnivore-ish.
Alvaro finally has cooked what he had been planning since ages (I hope I didn’t mess up the tenses but it was always my weak point in English. if I didn’t say it enough times, we basically have 2 tenses. and future but we very often use present tense for it), chicken liver+heart stew! He even put a little tomato into it, not just onions so it’s not carnivore at all but good enough for me. It’s very nice! I like the nicely chewy hearts and liver is too intense alone. We had 500g liver and 500g hearts but it probably would be better with more hearts. I wonder if I can buy it without a huge amount of package, this thing had a plastic box without the material sign(?) pressed into it. Never again. Fortunately the 3kg pork thigh piece wasn’t in a box, I like that. It still has plastic, sure but proportionally way less.
Tomorrow I make a pork roast, it was so long ago I did that last time… I had some brisket in the last few days (very tasty and chewy and lean. I frozen it cut into thin slices so it’s very easy to get some out any time), more cheese than usual and sausage and turkey before that… And pork stew even earlier.
And I saw nice big birds so often now. I managed to shot the heron, well it wasn’t in the shadow so not a great pic, oh well. Today I had no camera but saw baby swans for the first time this year! All chicks are kind of big now but they are still small and different from their parents. I only managed to photograph coot chicks
My world is FULL with baby toads since weeks, they are jumping everywhere on shadowed forest paths but in my garden as well.
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And this is the new part. I am in no mood to bring the waterfowl photos right now and couldn’t find my stew pic but it’s not properly carnivore anyway.
Today was like yesterday, stew, eggs, little quark with sour cream.
And my extras but it seems I can go back to proper carni in the beginning of July. Or close enough.
And then came my 4th, not necessary but satisfying meal.
My first 3 meals were in a 4 hour eating window (yeah I do this again, can’t help it) but then I made my pork roast and it was irresistible Okay, so I didn’t have another half pound meat day, it was around a whole pound for today?
I mostly use eggs to accompany my meats now so their number isn’t high so I better eat a pound of meat. That’s such a nice amount anyway. Not too much, not too little.
I still drink too many coffees, today with cream. I had some whipping cream too. Yum. I have easy satiation and my meat is leanish so I can afford some (not very little) not satiating dairy now.
Fangs
#249
@Karen18
sorry your meeting was a ton of info coming at you and a change of job and more but it sounds like this will all suit you. No weekends and shorter day hrs and maybe this will float your boat ok once you get a handle on it. Plus it shows you a way forward but you still got options if needed, so it seems like this is all a good thing for ya? Hope so!! You got thinking time on it all on what you might end up doing, I do believe you will come out of this all in fine shape
@JJFiddle
so true, if you don’t maintain how you ate to lose the weight, you don’t have a prayer to keep it off. every success story I read at all times says one thing, you don’t ‘add back’ and keep on going, you eat the same stuff it took to get that success. It means ‘lifestyle eating change’, not being on ‘a darn diet’ and then ‘ending that diet’ to eat the other crap again, lol.
Love your Brazilian restaurant. we don’t have that around me but if I am ever out on the road and see one I sure will hit it up!! That pie was that expensive!? yikes LOL great pics!
-------------I liked Jerky Jubilee July Jerky…I fall into a Jerky Carnivore category HA
simple eating day. chicken again and I am hankering for tuna again. I am on a tuna roll for some reason? Appetite is holding lower still. Got no desire for a honking big steak at all. Only beef I really want is just some burger when I want it. no biggie, I just follow what I want to eat when I want to eat it and all goes good with that for me.
ZC on strong all, July is coming fast at us!
robintemplin
(Robin)
#250
Glad your hours are not only fewer, but reliable. Hopefully that will help with your sleep!
Hollsoph
#251
Duck egg whites have less water in them than chicken eggs. But because the white cooks faster, it makes a great poached egg. Just remember, duck eggs don’t taste the same as chicken eggs. Hard to explain but they taste more like river water…not in a bad way, just different, at least to me. Some people, chefs etc. prefer duck eggs and pay a pretty penny for them.
JJFiddle
(Judy Thompson)
#252
@Karen18 you’re going to love your new schedule, nice and regular, no “doubling back” as we used to say in hospital work. Only 3 days a week. I bet you could do that for 2 years with no sweat.
Musicians’ work is so irregular, especially when I was in the band with morning rehearsals and evening performances, then trips around the country at odd times. When I went to military training academy and we worked from 7:30 to 4:30 5 days a week, I thought I’d died and gone to heaven 
Getting ready to hit the road on Friday, so much to do because DD will be camping here (with her stuff). Well keep the basement and upstairs so we have a place when we return from time to time, at least we don’t have to clear it completely.
I’ll take some things to eat for the road, boiled eggs, hot dogs, going to roast some wings for the cooler. We don’t eat heavy on the road, 3 days out and then shop when we get there.
We ate the country style pork ribs I sous vided for 36 hours, very tender. Just a sprinkle of liquid smoke and salt, no rub or BBQ seasoning. Good enough. Filling. Neither of us finished it, so there’s probably enough for another meal… On the road?
