Meat Chewin' June - June 2022 Carnivore Chat


#132

I wasn’t hungry but eating still seemed a good idea… So I finished the brisket crumbles (I only ate half of it for lunch, the amount on my pic), it wasn’t much as Alvaro ate some too.
Of course it triggered a full blown meal with pork chuck roast, smoked pork chuck, egg and eggy coffee… Even some mascarpone… But it was a good day I guess. It’s so odd I have absolutely no idea how much I ate but I feel okay and I didn’t eat unnecessarily I think. It was a workout day, the tiny lunch probably would have been enough.
But right now OMAD seems better. Tomorrow I will try to wait until hunger. I don’t know why doing it is so very hard! I can’t seem to able to do it even if it seems easy… But maybe if I focus a bit more?

[no food, just garden from now on…]

It turned out I have many little hemp plant this year!!! I only had one every year this far. They are so very pretty.
I never made a photo of my mock oranges but I have new flowers now. The last pansy died and the planter is full with petunias now. Well as much as it fits in nicely, I took out some. They grew like crazy in the last few weeks and the first bud appeared! I have no idea how they came, they are just there every year. Simple ones, nothing fancy but some are striped white-purple ones and that’s good enough for me.
The tall yellow flowers (no idea of the species name) made their empire bigger. They plan to rule the garden just like zillion other plants in my garden. And they are flowers so I pretty much let them going to places just like the petunias. My tiny vegetable patch is very chaotic, it has very many flowers (and a walnut tree. it just was there at some point). The outermost row is the flower row, I always put flowers there (I forgot about it this year and I had to make the patch bigger…) but there are many others, morning glory, petunia, calendula and the yellow flower. And clary but they have their own row… And they go everywhere and if it’s not too bad, I let them but not in my veggie patch, it is mostly for smaller flowers, not big ones that have too many specimen anyway… I don’t like them sooo much but they are flowers so why not? :smiley: I am very indulgent with flowers. And decorative plants. Medick is decorative, I got out one from a bad place and fed it to the guinea pig today. I have a big flowering one in my garden and many young ones.

The plants still grow like crazy, weather is good, we had much rain and I couldn’t mow the lawn due to rain and today headache so things are a bit messy. My hawkweeds are in bloom and I am rooting for them, grass is so problematic, hawkweed is amazing so I won’t cut them now :slight_smile: And I never need to cut them as they are so lovely and short… Except when blooming and making seeds, they are tall now. Still way cuter than the grass. I want them to win, at least here and there!
Sweet Williams (what name is this? many of what I use today are new to me) are amazing, they bloom beautifully under some big trees in the valley part of my garden, when they get sunlight…?
My orange lilies are almost blooming too. And I better stop now.


(Daisy) #133

I don’t, because I haven’t found a form that doesn’t have sugar in it.


(Judy Thompson) #134

If I take vitamin C I never take a chewable - so no sugar - but haven’t taken C since carnivore - 6 months now! Such a great woe.

So tired lastnight after performing - led a string quartet for a memorial. I was surprised to find the deceased was a famous political satirist. I’ve never read him but knew his name.
So yesterday I put together bacon, eggs and chaffles at lunchtime and we went afterward out for dinner, where I ordered a bacon cheeseburger, no bun.
Today I had a long day teaching, following a long morning, following a difficult night due to the heat. Eggs, ham and chaffles at lunchtime, air fried 4 chicken thighs during the hour break between my last 2 students - he ate 1, I ate the other 3😁. Most lessons are still online, far easier for me.





I’d finally gotten to where I could eat sour cream, after covid nearly a year ago. But today the bad smells came back with a vengeance, for cheeses and sour cream. Probably dairy I don’t need - but this may be permanent!


#135

Day 8 on COVID Carni. New phase. Through the fevers and aches. Now into the lungs and the harsh, dry, cough. So, I started the next phase of drugs. Back on to cortisone (this will mess me up a bit) tablets and a cortisone inhaler/puffer. Started on codeine to suppress the cough. Yet even I am still straining my rib muscles and pleura with the cough power. This is a stage that sees people go to hospital (post day 5). It can be the residual or ongoing inflammatory response. I was prepared with the puffer and heavy-duty cough suppressing drugs. However, if I make a mistake, and have a secondary bacterial chest infection, then I’m heading to pneumonia. I know the risk, and feel better for starting the new regimen based on the clinical symptoms. Still strongly COVID +ve on antigen testing.

Fasting blood glucose 6.4mmol/L (115 mg/dl) and ketones 0.1mmol/L.

I feel OK, though. Not well. Missing aromas. Thinking on their memories and tasting their bitter edges. Last night had left-over lamb shank from the fridge and some rough cut Jarlsberg cheese. I spent the evening sipping boiled rain water from the kettle as it was warm and soothing. Not directly from the kettle, but via a large pottery mug.

I forgot to have breakfast. Neither did I have a bone broth. It is 4pm and just the mildest hunger signals. I did have a coffee while sitting in the winter sunshine for half an hour this morning under the watchful eye of my Disability Support Officer (and coffee hound), Billie.


(Robin) #136

Aw, Mister Bear… be careful. I know you already are. But, you’re also an AFib Fighting Grizzly Bear. Be kind and gentle with yourself and seek help if warranted.
All the best juju heading your way.


(Edith) #137

I’m sorry to hear you are having such a rough time of it. I hope you feel better soon!


#138

@FrankoBear: Sounds bad. I wish you to get better soon! Hopefully it won’t get to pneumonia!


Another carnivore-ish day, at least this far.

I made tiramisu as I realized it’s ridiculously easy to do carnivore (unless someone has a stricter definition, mine is animal products and some spices, flavorings, maybe a little condiment)… The recipe was on the mascarpone cup lid as it usually is, IDK if you have that in your countries.
Once I even find an egg stew recipe on an egg carton :smiley: That’s unusual. And it was useless as it had a fixed amount of fat and 2 eggs per person… And the fat sounded excessive even for 10 persons…

But I don’t give a carni sweet-ish desserts to Alvaro so his (way bigger, still not much, I just experiment and I need the mascarpone for other things too) is just low-carb.

No photos but I ate 310g smoked pork chuck, about 5 eggs and my tiny dessert… The latter was a bit frozen as I considered it a good idea to put it into the freezer… And pretty good! About the perfect sweetness. I only have this with mascarpone, IDK why it is so magical. I really didn’t miss any sweetener in it and considering my on/off style and my love towards properly sweet sweets, it’s remarkable. But again, mascarpone, it’s magic!

Today I was in the town, bought fatty pork and some quark. I miss sour cream but it was so expensive there and we will buy my way cheaper and fav brand on Saturday anyway. My life would be so much harder without the city supermarkets.
The pork is… Tiny. Alvaro is almost worried, mentioned past times when one needed a ticket to buy food… Even if it was way before we were born.
Oh well, I will grab multiple bigger slabs in the city and we will see what the future brings.

BUT! The local pig farm announced we can order fresh pork from them again (we never did, communication problems and whatnot… it’s probably expensive but surely amazing… but I already love the cheap stuff from supermarkets and money is an important priority)! We surely will try, I am curious. I know they have good stuff and they keep the pigs remarkably well… Pig farm pork chuck… It sounds like pure perfection to me.

Meat prices didn’t change lately. Good. Raising prices every few weeks would be problematic. But the chicken thigh went pretty much up. I bought some for 300 HUF/kg last summer (on sale) and now it’s almost 1000 HUF/kg (on sale). Chicken in general went up significantly but not THAT much. Thigh was that amazing little thing that had those insane sales. Not anymore.

HUF is Hungarian Forint. It always was weak (anything happens in anywhere, it gets weaker and I don’t even exaggerate, it’s what happens) but now it’s super bad.
In the past we had fillér too, 100f was 1 Forint. But now we don’t even have 1 and 2 Ft coins anymore as even 5 worth nothing. A bubble gum costs more.
We are in the EU since long but we have no Euro just our weakening currency.
Well when it suddenly gets weaker, our meat prices suddenly get lower in USD (AUD too, 1 AUD is 265Ft now. it was 200 some months ago. 262 a few days ago. 250 weeks ago) and that’s funny…


#139

Lovely pup.


#140

@FrankoBear Sorry to hear all that you’re having to endure! Goodness sakes, that’s alot to deal with. Be patient with the process though, and rest. Praying for a complete recovery!

As for life here on the farm, I went out to feed the chickens last evening. Caught a glimpse of one of my cows behind the barn, and thought to myself…“That looks odd. Too many legs.” Got a little closer, and discovered she had a calf drinking from under her. LOL! So, we have a baby now…Nobby is his name. He is a bit wobbly, so he got the name for his nobby knees.

Plotted out a carnivore - IF-EF plan the last couple of days. I can just tell, from how my gut feels, that I really do need a good, long fast. But, that is not something to just jump in and do. So, staying carnivore (with the exception of my morning coffee), and eating on a 23/1 IF schedule. After a couple more days of this, I’ll move up to 48 hours fasting and go from there.

Pretty sure I mentioned this awhile back…but short recap. A few weeks ago, the left footsie was really aching alot. The hard concrete floors we have at work don’t help… but this was almost debilitating. (So glad I’m off for a month now! ) But anyways, I tried multiple different shoes, inserts, plantar fascitis sleeves, etc. Nothing. Explored some possibilities with a PT. Turns out, the first problem is extensor tendinitis. Big lump on the top/anterior ankle tendon that joins the leg to the foot. Second issue occurred when trying to shift weight to the outer edge of the foot- and I heard a metatarsal go “snap”. So, apparently one cannot just waltz (or limp as it were) into a clinic and ask for an Xray. A doctor must order the Xray. Phooey on that. Not waiting a month for a dr. appt. So, I tried to locally source out some Comfrey to make a poultice. None around here. Went online and ordered a 1 pound bag. In the meantime, I did what my dear Native American friend told me…and that is a poultice out of white pine needles. Apparently, the tea from white pine needles is especially potent and helpful for all kinds of ailments- (so @FrankoBear - you may want to try the tea. It does wonders for respiratory issues! ) So, I did the poultice for a few evenings and during the day for pain relief- and it worked remarkably well. The Comfrey arrived today, so I’ve made the poultice and have the footsie all wrapped up. Pain is already disappearing. For inquiring minds who want to know…Comfrey contains Allantoin (Skin cell repair) and rosmarinic acid. The acid is actually quite effective for relieving pain quickly.
For white piine needle tea, it is best done in an pressure cooker or insta-pot. Needles in first. Douse with vodke for 10-15 mins. Then add a few quarts of water. Pressure cooked for 35 mins. The alcohol draws out the non-water soluble compounds.

So, that’s it for today. Sipping water, coffee,and resting the footsie.

Have a good one, all.


(Karen) #141

@FrankoBear praying you get better real soon and these Covid symptoms ease off. What a sh1t time you are having at the moment, poor you. My only suggestion is plenty fresh air and no dairy. Also if you are able to do any breathing exercises (with that horrid coarse cough) I am sure Mrs Bear has already been advocating that.

No CrossFit today as I had a work friend popping over for a brew this morning then we took his friends dog, Kita, out for a walk. Only a slow 1.8m walk and talk while Kita sniffed her way through the grasses. He did warn me that one part of the walk was high brambley, thistley, nettle narrow path and I have duly been stung scratched and walked in the eye a few times! Hey ho all part of the fun of dog walking!


Lovely hot day and kita really enjoy just standing in the river cooling her belly down :smile:

Came home for brunch which was sliced cooked chicken reheated in butter.

Took Raymond to get his covid booster this afternoon and then to the Garden Centre for a chat and brew. Out in the garden when I got home to water the plants and deadhead the flowers.

Dinner was the 2 left over Chicken thighs cold.


#142

:smiley:Congrats for Nobby! I always enjoy reading about your animals.

So I should feel lucky that whenever I just crack my little finger, the hospital immediately send me to get an x-ray? I thought it’s normal when in doubt…
So your foot is better? Good.
Mine is at 9.5 weeks since the sprain and I thought it’s almost healed… Nope, a mere 10km walk STILL tires it out, I was even very slightly limping in the end. But I am in bad shape too, I got super tired, body and mind - but even Alvaro did and he is used to a higher activity… But not exactly that much walk/run, indeed…
It’s so mind-blowing to me, I never had a sprain before, I had no idea they are (may be) like this… And it heals WAY slower than a broken wrist that moved and required a surgery. And that wasn’t painful at all after the surgery. It was a great surgery I suppose.
But I won’t any hospital stay ever again :slight_smile: Not my place, I am lucky my very healthy hospital and doctor phobia (maybe it’s a strong word but maybe not) turned off when I had my single short and not too problematic hospital stay.
Sorry to talk about this again, why I can’t just react properly without bringing my own things?


#143

@Shinita … Feet take a LONG time to heal, especially when we’re on them all the time! LOL! I feel zapped of energy since I had been off carnivore. Now that I am back on it, and fully realize- that for me, it is an All or Nothing deal. I have to be 110% committed to it, otherwise I fail. So, that is what this 23/1 IF routine is for. It will get me back on track- finding the mojo again. Already a huge difference in energy levels. However, the foot pain has kept me awake for so many nights- I feel as though there is a need to catch up on sleep (though I don’t think we really can do that.) Nonetheless, the energy is returning. the pounds are TRYING to come off again.
Using the time off work to become fully fat adapted and do more long term fasting. It sounds so unnatural to fast for long time frames, but, I am constantly reminded of how amazing I felt after hitting day 4 of a 7 day fast. And then, I remember eating at the end of the 7th day, and thinking how unimpressed I was with eating again. It was very anti-climatic. So, getting back to doing that a couple times this summer would be fantastic.


#144

And oh, I feel like dinner might have been sort of a Noah’s Ark carnivore dinner…2 chicken thighs. 2 turkey eggs, 2 kosher beef hot dogs, … almost ate some fish too - but I was full.


(Judy Thompson) #145

@FrankoBear - any change is good, they say. I remember that phase with deep dry coughs and the impossible feeling of trying to clear my lungs. Hope you feel better soon! Everybody here has good ideas.
@SecondBreakfast darn! I broke a metatarsal the same way in 2017 and still there are times I can feel it as it was judged a “malunion” and I think arthritis has settled into it.
In the 80s I had comfrey growing. Sprained my ankle once and wrapped it with a comfrey poultice to sleep in and the very next morning, it was all gone, like magic! Wish I’d thought of that, I just blindly followed medical advice with practically no result.
And congrats on the calf! How cute to discover a baby you didn’t know was coming!
@Shinita maybe you can find some comfrey.
Today we picked up farmer food and so I cooked a lb of the truly grassfed hamburger. So satisfying, ½ pound kept me going all afternoon, and tonight I made a 3 egg omelet with sharp cheddar. Simple day.



#146

alot on my plate. not meat this time.

hubby’s mom is in hospital and very sick. kidney failure issues along with congestive heart failure and more. she is being transferred to another hosp. that has dialysis center and more but things are kinda not good and kinda scary right now. Not looking as a great outcome here? we shall see

I emptied my parents lake house today. just a vacant home now. just sad.

Hubby and I put my Dad’s ashes in the lake as he wanted :slight_smile: Had a small memorial and goodbye. My Mom’s ashes we will put out in the garden with the flowers she loved.

Hard for such final goodbyes and then I have my MIL in dire straits right now.

I don’t know…sometimes too much at one time ya know.


(Vic) #147

Hug…


#148

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#149

You are right, I keep reminding myself that I actually walk on my poor leg since day 1 (not very much in the first days but I still needed to go up and down the stairs many times and other in-house stuff)… But still… My patience has its limits.

23/1 should be ideal for me, I don’t know why it is so hard… I don’t mean the days when I only can eat small meals due to way too quick and serious satiation.
I try to focus on skipping lunch a bit harder. But not today. I already had bites… Nowadays I often cook in the morning as I can do it first time of the day while my brain isn’t really useful yet… Walking works too but cooking is easier and I already picked and canned cherries so I was in the kitchen…
But unsurprisingly I can’t easily fry pork without tasting it…

This soft smoked pork chuck is quite amazing, I can’t imagine I couldn’t eat a decent amount of it any time I am hungry… I still try to keep my smoked meat consumption low, they are too salty anyway but it may come handy if I manage to get bored of my staple meat again.

I still don’t think I need full carnivore but my carnivore-ish is the limit where it’s safe. If I go off, it easily triggers a tiny avalanche even if I plan not to stray too far. I still eat my eggs and meat, it’s nothing like my off days when I did my on/off keto, I don’t get very unwell either BUT it’s still a bit too much. So I should focus on a stricter version to end up in my safe, potentially less strict zone. I actually can follow rules sometimes, I even did pure carnivore for a little while and when I am determined to do carnivore-ish (very, very close to carnivore, I can allow much more extras and still feel great but adding more gets out of hand easily as I wrote), I do it for a while… But if I get more relaxed, things usually getting messed up a bit. Maybe not immediately so I like to get stricter after more relaxed days. But I still think carnivore(-ish) is usually quite easy as long as I like my meat. Except under certain circumstances. Or long term. So I better try to stick to something sticker and if I mess it up a tiny bit, it’s still good enough.
I must be realistic, it’s the best I can do now but it seems okay.

Not NOW, June is special. This June is the first where my carni and very much non-carni periods clash. Until some years ago (and possibly even in the last years) I just said goodbye to keto and had low-carb and high-carb days all month. I don’t really remember what happened in the last years but it wasn’t like this one. I think. So I am a tad torn, my different parts want different things…? And the more important parts kind of wear down the minority and it’s good as it’s a super strong, compulsive one. Things are less simple now but more promising than I expected from this month.
And at least I have my almost fully carni main meals. I doubt it was this good in the last years but I can eat much meat now. It helps immensely. I thought my carnivore-ish was so easy after vegetarian keto (and I never considered that hard, I merely missed my vegs sometimes and eventually got bored of all the sweet desserts I had to eat to avoid going over 40g net carbs. I half-lived on them I think)… Nope, this meatier style is the easy one, no struggling to eat my food when hungry EVER. Food boredom is completely absent lately. I even wait to cook my variety items, I have turkey and tongue in the freezer… But I am perfectly happy with pork as at least half of my food intake and it’s often more and it’s fine.

I typically get some changes after a few days but energy is something special, I probably need to work years on it and doing everything (sleep, stress, exercise…etc.) right… Sigh. But I am not super exhausted, I had such times and I am hopeful so I don’t complain. There are things I can improve, it’s oh so not all about my woe.

Good luck to your long fasts! I can’t do it. The more I lowered my carbs, the worse I got at fasts. Now I can’t even skip a day but I try to go back to it. I have a hypothesis that OMAD may lead to it… I just can’t make OMAD stick yet. I keep trying. It doesn’t seem hard, I just half-accidentally eat too early.
Day 4 was when the complete lack of sodium intake became a problem(?) I think :smiley: It was fun but probably not so much to my body…? I really wish to do another such long fast again if that is possible, with supplementing sodium this time. But maybe my body can’t do it comfortably anymore, I don’t know… But I weighed less when I did my single longer fast (almost 5 days) so I should be able to do it again I suppose.
My body is adamant at eating each and every day though :frowning: Maybe one day it will be more cooperative. It’s obvious it doesn’t NEED food so early. It just likes to get it, for safety reasons or whatever. Maybe a habit.

:smiley:
If pork tongue wouldn’t be too big, I would include 2 of that too :smiley: Good stuff. I am looking forward eating them soon.
Chicken brain is fun too. I often got it when Grandma killed chickens.

I never had turkey eggs!!! I think I ONLY had chicken eggs… I could try quail eggs easily but they surely aren’t that interesting just very, very cute.

I was on a food recipe site today (I forgot about the quark and made a dessert with some of it. Alvaro likes my desserts anyway. didn’t find anything useful so I just made a recipe from scratch as usual) and I answered questions about my meat eating habits (and my willingness to eat less meat in the future etc.). But they didn’t ask the amount, just the frequency. So I couldn’t give some interesting answers. I did say I can imagine eating less meat as I can. I said I won’t eat less meat in the near future.

Now I wonder how much meat a non-vegetarian person eats here and in other countries… I saw such numbers as an average for the population but there are babies, there are vegetarians… I am interested in the rest. And I forgot what I saw anyway.

I honestly have no idea how much meat people eat normally. We only had a little chicken on Sundays and some deli otherwise. It wasn’t typical. Alvaro’s family had much meat but I don’t know how much. His Mom surely have interesting ideas like a single chicken leg per person for lunch when we visit (okay, with soup and big dessert and carbs it may be fine for Alvaro who eat 3 times a day… I always stay hungry though and bring my own food) and seemed shocked when I told her how big are my roasts (and I have a mini oven so they aren’t big. my biggest was 3.5kg but it’s a bit too much for my oven pan, it fits but it’s in too few pieces very very close to each other and they take ages).
I don’t even know how much meat Alvaro eats but little.
And once I met someone on a forum who said she never eats more than 100g meat at once and that’s once a day. Since then I learned it’s a decent amount of meat for many people, even for ketoers (per meal, though, not necessary per day). I never worked that way. If it’s a proper food, I need amounts. It may be I have 3 meaty day in the whole year but that should be properly meaty, not just a tease :smiley: Well, it doesn’t change when I started to eat meat every day, in the contrary…
Now I am fine around a pound a day, sometimes more, sometimes less. I think. I continue not tracking, it’s nice but I am a bit lost when it’s about my food consumption. I never will go much higher though as I can’t afford so much protein and fat (that meat may not contain too much fat but you can’t expect me not adding a lot fatty stuff if I eat leaner cuts. I will eat my eggs too. 2 pounds of meat occasionally, that’s different but that isn’t very likely either).
I guess I will stop here, around a pound a day. And my usual amount of eggs, less than before. And some dairy.

@Fangs: Both problems sounds very serious… IDK what to say :frowning: Stay strong? I know you will, you are that type but it’s obviously sad and hard for you now :cry:


#150

That is truly alot. And, I am so sorry you are having to deal with all these experiences back to back. It is particularly difficult when you have virtually no break from it all. Many hugs and prayers being sent your way, my friend. Remember the 3 T’'s. Tears. Talk. and Time. (I have a dear friend who is a social worker for a pediatric hospice organization, and she taught me about this, as it was much needed at the time. Stil is.) My Daddy had congestive heart failure, and man oh man, the juggling of the medications was truly a scientific wonder. Too much of one thing set off another thing, etc etc. It is a tough, tough road. I surely pray you find the strength to get through all of this.
Sorting through the emotions, especially with so many events converging all at once - is a tremendous challenge. That’s the kind of thing that would have sent me on an emotional eating binge. Never again, though. Stay strong, my friend. Stay strong. :two_hearts:


#151

So the key to making this fasting mechanism work, is becoming truly fat adapted. Eating lean meats is not going to bring you to that point. Eating fat, and I mean meat fat is the key. For instance, when I cook chicken thighs, I always get them skin on. My husband hates the skin/fat. So, before I serve his up, I take the skins off and keep them for myself. Same with fat on steaks. He will not eat it, so I trim it off before I serve him, and keep it for me. I know it seems weird, but, trust me…it trains the body to survive off fat. Do this for awhile, and see. Then, when you begin fasting, the body seamlessly taps into your own fat storage for its needs. I really did not experience a level of true hunger that was not manageable during any of the extended fasts. You’d think after 7 days of no food that the hunger pangs would be unfathomable…but no. Just a bit of a growl here and there. I’d chug chicken broth or beef broth or coffee with a bit of MCT oil just so it wasn’t too loud while I was at work…but yeah…totally manageable.

The other reason I do this, is because of body aches and pains. I’m very sensitive now to lectins and insoluble oxylates. The next 24 hours are going to the most painful, as this is the oxylate purging window, and (based on prior experience) as the body dumps out all the built up garbage, getting rid of it seems to ache quite a bit. But then, I feel like new afterwards. I like to describe it in a word picture. If you have a shower head or faucet with all kinds of build up- calcium deposits or whatever…over time, it can prohibit the free flow of water. The edges of the faucet become all crusty with build up. That is what I feel as though my joints become like. When you stop feeding the body all the stuff that causes all that build up, then, the deposits begin to diminish and eventually break loose. Flushing it out of the body can be a bit painful - but oh, so worth the struggle!!! I just make sure to drink alot of water.
It takes ALOT of willpower, but I know you can do it. If you need some added encouragement, pull up Jocko Willink on YouTube and watch a few of his motivational videos. That dude got me through some tough places!
Keep on trying !!! And have a blessed day!