Lower fat, higher protein method


#41

Oh don’t go by the breakdown that I mentioned above. That’s strictly for people that do strength training regularly and want to lose fat.Sorry for the confusion.

Try this calculator which takes your personal level of activity and goals into consideration: https://www.ruled.me/keto-calculator/


#42

150g is a cute amount, I frequently go over it while I do my best to keep my protein as low as comfortably possible for me (I don’t need to try too hard but I am aware I tend to overdo protein, not like it seems to be a problem… so I nudge myself into the less protein rich direction unless I have a reason not to) and could eat way more I am sure (even though my average is somewhat lower as I really don’t need this much). I eat eggs and meat, it’s very easy to get this much even if you love fatty cuts, at least for me… But I like eating and I usually have the hunger for it so… I need to keep my meat eating lowish not to go overboard with protein, actually. Good thing I dislike most lean meats.

It sounds good to stay lower if you don’t need this much and have a hard time to eat it normally. I wouldn’t consume protein shakes… I have not much against them except meat and eggs are more natural, normal to me. If I need to drink my protein for some reason, I drink eggs (in my coffee) :smiley: But each to their own. But don’t drink shakes just to ensure some number you probably don’t need. Or is it some experiment for you?


(H) #43

Hahahaha I was thinking blimey that’s a lot. I had two protein shakes today and it was no where near!!! Lol


#44

A few days ago I ate 720g pork chuck and 4 eggs (among others), these alone contained 150g… Shakes are tiny extras, one should eat protein rich food too, of course. If your energy intake should be lower than mine (it was actually a higher-calorie day than ideal for me but it’s for the average, a single such day is fine), use leaner protein sources.


(H) #45

Wow! Do you not feel really bloated eating that or are you used to it? Are you female/ male and have you had to build up to that amount?
Also, is that what you eat in a day ?
What’s a high calorie day in terms of % more than you eat on a non high calorie day?

(Sorry for all the questions!!)


#46

Oh, no problem, I like to write about myself and food :slight_smile:

No, why would I be bloated? It’s not much food, I need it. And I am healthy, I don’t think I am ever bloated, I am not even sure what that means. And it surely can’t happen from good food. I am a short female with some low-level activity (tiny walks, cycling, sometimes weightlifting but that’s negligible).
Building up to that amount… Not really but a bit, yeah, I did vegetarian keto (on/off) for years and then suddenly stopped eating plants and added meat… But my building up was for eating meat regularly. 600-700g beef or pork is really not much, it’s easy to eat, I could do it in the beginning, my average was very low though but I couldn’t get enough meat either so it’s hard to tell what was the reason. I personally like a lowish-meat carnivore, I don’t eat much meat in average but I have such meatier days regularly. I never did what many carnivore do (even women), 2-4pounds of meat every day - and never will, I suppose. But when I eat little meat, I eat 6-10 or more eggs, cheese, quark… I need my protein and nutrients and energy (fat is good for energy but only if I ate enough protein, 100-200g is nice for me for both macros).

This was a normal but still “high-calorie if want to lose fat” day. Around 2000 kcal.
I call my 1400-1800 kcal carnivore(-ish) days normal. It’s borderline impossible for me to go lower.
And I call my 2200-2500 days truly high-calorie, it happens here on there on carnivore (it’s higher if I raise my carbs, it was 4000 on high-carb and I did 3000 on my old keto). They are usually overeating days though I don’t really call them like that when it’s only a single day. My body has this pattern, I always had these stronger days here and there, it’s quite fine. Nowadays they happen when I make a nice roast after less meaty days. It’s a small wonder my 720g pork chuck roast day was lower (or not, it’s a way fattier chuck than usual so I can’t track reliably and I don’t really care. I actually don’t like or want tracking, it never helped me to lose in the last several years, it just gave me information - and some impressive numbers. I know eating 280g fat in a day, not regularly just sometimes is super easy on every woe I am willing to try even after a decade trying to keep my fat “low” and I don’t even feel it much at all -, I am a curious one. that’s why I do it sometimes now).

But my numbers are quite varied so I can’t say percentages, just what I wrote.


(H) #47

That’s really interesting. I feel bloated if I eat too much protein in one go which was why I wondered. I thought it was because of the carbs in my diet but I’ve felt bloated quite a bit since starting keto too.

I’m really interested in your calorie intake, though I know it varies person to person. I’d say mine were 1400-1700 average. That’s down since I started keto because I used to ‘be good’ all week and then go crazy at the weekend so it came to nothing.

Now is far more balanced I think.

But still not a pound weight loss… which is why I’m very confused!! :joy:


(Bob M) #48

71 bars of chocolate? And we can’t ask. What’s the deal with that? :wink:


(Allie) #49

Have you tried digestive enzymes?


(H) #50

Hahah you can ask really… someone got me a massive snack box full of about 25 bags of crisps and 71 chocolate bars… and a bottle of wine.
the perfect present for someone who is following keto and doesn’t drink…:joy: though I did realise that a small bag of Wotsits has only 7g carbs ( a way less good version of Cheetos…)


(H) #51

No! What are they? Supplements? I take collegen with b12 and some other bits and magnesium


#52

I didn’t eat the 720g meat in one go but once I almost did it with 600g beef (I ate ONLY that and a yolk and it satiated me for a day!). I never felt bloated due to much protein. If I am able to eat it, it’s fine. I usually reach complete, “can’t eat more” satiation before I go way over 100g protein in one sitting. But once I ate 1 kg chicken and a TON of other stuff as chicken doesn’t satiate me… There was no bloating, just huge hunger. Stupid chicken. I make sure I never eat it without pork or some other proper stuff for me :wink: That was my most protein rich day I think, I just can’t go near that with normal stuff so I have no idea what would happen if I ate much more protein than normal. 120-180g is normal to me.


(H) #53

I find I can eat plenty of the fattier cuts of chicken. The breast is so filing though!

So how do you work that against the whole thing of not eating enough then? Because pork must be like, 1000 calls for 600g or something depending on the cut maybe? And then the egg?

Or do you just eat only when hungry and not bother about counting?

I like the thought of that and I did it twice this wk with OMAD but the last two days I felt hungrier


(H) #54

Though today I just had like 1000 and I’m really full up


(Allie) #55

Yeah, loads of different types that you take with meals to help your body digest the food you’re giving it. Can make all the difference :slightly_smiling_face:


(H) #56

I’ll definitely have a look at this. Thanks!


#57

My eating is all over the place but I never eat too little nowadays, that was in the beginning of carnivore. I eat 1-5 meals a day,. my macros varies… My very meaty days are usually not low-cal as I prefer fatty meat. 600g pork easily can be 800 or 1600 or even 2400 kcal, actually… It’s so odd to me that people think all pork has the same fattiness… While pork has a very wide range, it can be lean, fatty, very fatty, up to being pure fat tissue. My fattiest pork in my fridge is processed but it’s 4700 kcal for 600g… Good stuff, it’s the most satiating item I ever saw. I just need to stop after 2-3 minutes when I ate my energy need for a day (while neglecting protein but no way I leave that like that) but I am very satiated then so it’s easy. It’s like lembas :smiley: Just tastier, I would think :wink:

I can’t tracking, actually. No one can tell me how fatty is my pork so I easily miss more than a few hundreds of kilocalories. But I do what I can when curiosity hits. It doesn’t matter if I track - though it shows the probability of needing another meal later (it’s more important when I eat less fatty meat so I can track better). I dislike many little meals but I don’t stuff myself needlessly (stuffing myself tend to lower my calorie intake as my satiation lasts way longer. I rarely need that, I always was good at eating big meals but it’s trickier on carnivore). Guessing my energy intake is one of my worst skills even with just a few staples.


(H) #58

I have lost a pound doing this slightly new way this week… let’s see what happens but I’m taking it as a plus since for the last 8 weeks I’ve not lost anything!!! :clap:


(Ohio ) #59

Hi. New here. So my reply feels out of place or off topic? Epilepsy patient here. Depending on my level of activity,(&fasting) I’m better off eating an orange or banana over canned meat, grilled steak, etc. I strive to keep the bulk of my protein, vegetarian. I believe Gluconeogenesis is not well understood by science. Amino acids feed many diseases. I’ll elaborate further but I’m new and feel as if I wrote a book.


(Butter Withaspoon) #60

Welcome to the forums!
Being an athlete strong person means you can probably tolerate more fruit than many others on here. Although there’s still much to know, we do know that gluconeogenesis is demand driven such that if a person consumes none, the body will keep up blood glucose levels. This works very well when a person is well adapted to burning fat.

I’ve not heard of amino acids being bad for health in the human diet? Generally I’d follow the e advice of Prof Ben Bikman to control carbs, prioritise protein, and fill with fats. Some here choose moderate protein, some higher. Choose the best quality protein you can within your food preferences.