Lower fat, higher protein method

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #61

Yes, your reply is out of place and off topic. Please start a new topic to discuss your issues. I’m sure lots of folks will have lots to say about lots of stuff you will find of interest. Thank you.

(Ohio ) #62

I don’t each much fruit, especially not oranges or bananas. I’m not good at explaining myself.

My experience with the carnivore diet is that very high protein consumption throws myself out of ketosis in a way much worse than a day of bingeing on high carb fruits. I can get a away strictly carnivore for short durations.

Disease needs amino acids. Essential to human life, but also, essential to disease progression. amino acid quotas easily get reached. (Even on a vegetarian diet). Excess proteins results in gluconeogenesis, exacerbating any problems that excessive protein is already causing.

That’s how I understand it. I’m at risk of seizures, so when I get keto wrong, I pay the price. I’m seeing this is more of a weight loss forum? Sweet forum anyways.

#63

Some people are bad with high protein. They shouldn’t eat high protein then. And there is a limit for everyone, some of us just never reach it… I can’t eat too much protein as I get completely satiated before.
It’s possible to eat lowish protein on carnivore too… Each to their own. I eat high-protein (=as little as I can. it’s even only adequate on my low-cal days, sometimes! but I usually have high-protein low-cal days, I can’t help it) on every woe but it never does any bad to me unlike adding carbs (fruits in bigger amounts are especially bad as they have sugar. I am way better with lots of starches but the best is simply skipping plants if it’s about me. we people have different experiences, needs and sensitivity, of course).

I don’t think it’s a weight loss forum but some people focus on it, sure.

(Ohio ) #64

Right on. Thanks for the reply. Often ppl don’t want to engage after u tell them you have epilepsy. So thanks again as I get a feel for the forum. Never good at explaining my angle on all things nutrition. I’m a big fan of resistance starches. Finding cooled rice, black beans & wheat bran all “high carb” foods all to work well. No seizures yet! I would like to know what’s considered “low protein carnivore”. When I think carnivore I think “high protein, low copper”.

#65

I saw people eating below 60g on carnivore… I may do anything between 60g and 220g. My percentages change way less.
Carnivore is simply all animal food, protein intake can be almost anything though super high fat percentage is tricky for most of us (I probably could go over 90% if I really, really had to, at least for a while but I prefer 65-70% and I need that for fat-loss anyway. 90% is for a way more active lifestyle I have! I would eat high protein even in that case so it would be very high calorie. high protein means more than adequate for me, nothing about percentages. our protein need is in grams, after all) and we all need some protein so it’s not right for it to be super low…
Most people can’t or don’t like to eat super fatty stuff so it makes sense carnivores tend to eat much protein, at least if they eat high calorie. A lowish-calorie fat-loss carnivore diet easily may have only adequate and not high protein even if it’s not very fatty.
And not everyone get satiated by fat… I usually need a bit high protein to be fine but certain fats are great for satiation as well. Fat:protein between 0.5 and 2.0 seems to work for me, it’s probably a smaller range for many others and a bigger one for some…? It’s very individual but not high protein carnivore clearly exist even if it’s not valid for everyone.

(Ohio ) #66

I have a tendency to check the amino acid profile of everything I eat. The RDA quota gets met easily within a simple bacon&eggs or just a steak, etc. Excessive carbs vs excessive protein act on my body, at least, totally different. Excessive carbs seems to be easily remedied through fasting & exercise. Excessive protein seems to be a time frame thing. If I overdue it, carnivore style, it seems I go through the whole process of ketosis much more brutal. Just me maybe. Maybe it’s the trans fat? I’m not trying to save animals btw. I’ve been a meat cutter periodically as I need money.

(Edith) #67

That’s the beauty of this forum. We all tend to be self-experimenters and find what works well for each of us as individuals. My brother tried carnivore for eight months to see if it could help his psoriasis, and decided that fatty meat does not work well for him. His body is much happier with low fat meats such as chicken and fish.

I found my joints are much better with a meat heavy diet. Vegetarian protein destroys my digestive tract. It is good that you have found what works best for you. But, I do agree, that canned meat is definitely not a good source of food in general. :grinning:

(Ohio ) #68

I’ve heard that about joints and that is how I feel to really. But there maybe other processes at work too. What vegetarian foods hurt your gut? What’s capsaicin rich foods do to you?