Low carb whey

(Jay Seager) #1

Hey, has anyone used low carb whey powder?
How do you use it? Like a meal replacement?
Think it comes to 1.6 carbs per serving

(Ken) #2

Why would you want to? It provides no superior benefits over whole foods, is fairly insulinogenic, and is nutty expensive. It’s really only an expensive convenience food, and is not nearly as tasty as other alternatives, like steak.

(Jay Seager) #3

Yeah I see what your saying, I just thought it might be an easy alternative for lunch at work.

(Greg Borchert) #4

I use whey isolate and usually have a post workout smoothie daily. I am training for summer activities, and boosted my protein to .8 grams of protein per pound of lean body mass. For me at 185 pounds and 13% body fat, that’s 125 grams of protein per day - 25% or so of calories. I stay in ketosis and build muscle mass.

(Allie) #5

I use it occasionally but only with loads of olive or avocado oil added to make it keto, and always use half the amount of whey advised.

Really proper food is much better, but once in a while these things don’t seem to do me any harm.

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #6

I drink one of these most weekday mornings (banana is my preferred flavor, strawberry is okay, cookies and creme is okay, vanilla is tolerable, chocolate is so last resort I probably wouldn’t get it if it were the only option less… your mileage may vary).

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002XULC9I/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=&th=1

It’s not pure whey. It’s Whey + Casein. Fast protein (whey), slow protein (Cas).

they are premade, so simple as all get out, live in a fridge at work, and fast poundable. I round out the fat with some almonds, mac nuts, or cheese.

I get what Ken is saying, and I guess I generally agree with his point, BUT, getting 35-40g of protein in a go-form from whole foods is a bit trickier. I do homemade eggbites, but that’s 17g protein, and if I want to hit 40, that’s a lot of meat on top of a small amount of custard. I could flip it around and add denser protein and not be egg focused…

I should note, while not having Ken’s 240 lbs fat loss, had I lost 240, I’d weigh 26 lbs, which I haven’t done since preschool. I have lost 40, with pretty regular morning shake.

If this is a workout thing, it’s probably better to drink a whey/cas blend before, as the whey will be where you need it when you need it that way, and the cas will be there for recovery. At least that’s how Tim Ferriss timed it all out on the whey, and what the meatheads and CSCS crowd says about the cas.

(Jay Seager) #7

Thanks very knowledgable!
I will give it a go for lunches at work and top it up with a dash of mct oil.

(Ashley) #8

I only use whey to make certain recipes. I don’t really use it as a replacement cause I’d rather have real food lol. Just a preference but I am a foodie. If need to maybe make meals ahead of time and take to work.

(Katie) #9

Have you considered a beef isolate protein instead of whey?
I also prefer whole food sources of protein though.

(Greg Borchert) #10

I don’t think that there’s anything wrong with a shake. I have been doing smoothies for twenty plus years. I put protein powder (vegetable, hemp, whey - varied), MCT oil, spinach, maybe half a raw beet, broccoli sprouts, sometimes ginger or turmeric. Sometimes a few berries, inulin, whole milk yogurt, whatever supplements I might be taking, etc. My kids call my drink “mug o sludge”, but it works. I eat whole foods the rest of the day, but I know these drinks help me, give me the nutrient density my body needs.

#11

Not true for those of us that actually have the protein demand and are in the gym putting on muscle.

Which is why it’s good at driving in the nutrients into the muscles pre/post workout. Contrary to popular believe a Whey shake is NOT like eating bread. It’s a fast protein but used in context it’s safe for most UNLESS they don’t need it or are hypersensitive to it. Our bodies act very differently intra/post workout.

Even the higher end brands aren’t too bad price wise, I’ll agree all day steak is much better tasting, but very impractical to slug one down post workout, especially when I’m driving to work.

#12

Whey is a supplement and should be used as such. Great for building muscle pre/post workout but not as a meal replacement. IF you need to use a protein shake in place of a meal last minute I’d go with Cassein and add fat to it like an MCT. Whey is a very fast protein and slightly insulinogenic which is awesome for muscles, not for meals with no other food intake. That can go the other whey on you… <— See what I did there? HAH!

(Fred Buchanan) #13

I love Isopure Whey Protein, with one huge Keto Caveat.

Isopure is so clean, it’s almost too hard to get your fat intake right after you take the Isopure.

The one time I used it, I had to take 4 tablespoons of MCT Oil to counter it.

Let’s just say going to the bathroom later that night was a “MOVING” experience, and leave it there… :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

#14

I use the Isopure Zero Carb Protein Powder. I originally got it just to make sure I got enough protein, mixing it with unsweetened coconut milk.

However, I have also used it to make microwaved mini-cakes and bread. And I’ve used the Ke-Dough pizza dough recipe to make buns:

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(Ken) #15

I dispute the Science for that, and I used whey for over a decade (actually for many more years, on and off) when training. I also trained without whey when bulking, several times in fact, to see if there was any differences. There were none, as many bodybuilders, at least those not going for a supplement contract, will tell you. It’s just marketing, superficially supported because the plum for bodybuilders is to be a paid rep. There should be subtext that says: “I use Acme super-dooper whey, it’s the best way to get huge”. The smaller print would say: “Steroids help some too”. I’m not just singling out 'roids, (Gear) because there’s other things out there as well, my point is that it’s not just whey. I’m not anti whey, I still have a container in my kitchen, which I use for quick shakes when time is short, and it’s very tasty. But, It should be considered optional, not necessary.

It is very handy to make stuff from, I consider it excellent for that purpose. Mmmm keto ice cream…

#16

I would agree if I was still taking in carbs, in that case your pushing stuff in that way. We don’t have that advantage and I’d assume you won’t dispute the disadvantage with muscle growth on keto. The insulinogenic effect it has becomes noticeable with the lack of carbs and helps drive more into the cells. The biggest 3 ways in my case it’s very apparent is 1, I don’t have the protein heat/sweats on workout days vs off days if I take in the protein. Which shows I’m using it, that’s aside from the night and day difference in muscle soreness / recovery. 2, Both my pre and post have creatine in them, I’ll pee a large amount of it back out (which was also the case when taking creatine by itself) which doesn’t happen when I have the Whey in me pre workout. 3 In 1.5yrs of lifting the difference both in physical and visual change started becoming apparent after I started supplementing. I know a descent handful of others on keto and we’ve all had more or less the same results. I’ll agree with you all day long that many supps are just short of a pyramid scheme and in many cases completely unneeded BUT when you know what helps and works for you, I see that differently UNLESS you just go supp stupid which I’ll admit most people do, and I did back in the day myself. I’ve learned a little since then. My body has shown me it absorbs more and does better with them, at least in the gym. Minus that, I wouldn’t take any of that.

(Ken) #17

Are you taking creatine chronically? Or, are you using it to break a plateau during a bulk? I found it didn’t make much difference until I hit a plateau, then It helped to power through it.

I was able to gain muscle while lipolytic, but it was while Carb cycling, so not lipolytic all the time. It works well, and you don’t gain fat.

#18

Taking it pre/post on lifting days. I definitely had gains before the supps but more in the last 6mo or so and very noticeable physical changes vs a year doing it without. I think in your case carb cycling was probably accomplishing the same thing, no doubt it works but for me I’m afraid of relapsing. I’ve been eating this way for years and I’ve fallen off the wagon a couple times. I don’t think my carb cycle would be of sweet potatoes!