I had heart palpitations ( "extrasystoles"correctly speaking) before switching to carnivore. Now they have nearly dissappeared. I only get 1 or 2 per day from time to time.
Lion Diet to heal, 4 months in, poor restults. Anyone can help?
Thomas2
(Bkone )
#82
Why no honey? I do have honey seldomly, once a week or every two weeks, one tea-spoon full.
ffskier
#83
This is great because you can do simple things that can increase your sleep. There are lots of hacks out there. Stress is also something that you can address directly. Maybe something as simple as listening to your favourite playlist can lessen your stress.
I had a family member who suffered from eczema as a child and continued into adulthood. The only response from the doctors was the cortisone cream. It took the pain and the itching away but never addressed the cause.
I have done some research on the gut biome, and this topic will only get bigger in the coming years IMHO. Leaky gut was always thought of as quackery 20 years ago, but not now. There are ways to heal your gut or re-colonize it that I have read about. I am not aware of the process by which the carnivore diet accomplishes this. However, one protocol I remember reading involved eating apple skins on an empty stomach for about two weeks in the morning to repopulate Akkermansia. Akkermansia being very helpful for the gut lining. Then red pigment berries and/or blueberries to increase the Bifidobacterium, which further helped. I am sure you can find it on the web.
Wishing you nothing but the best in health.
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#85
It is made of sucrose, fructose, and water (in other words, around 80% sugar and 20% water). The sucrose is a disaccharide, composed of one glucose molecule bonded to one fructose molecule. So honey gives the body a large dose of fructose, which is a metabolic poison. It damages the liver and is a mitochondrial toxin. Well worth avoiding, if one wishes to be optimally healthy.
Thomas2
(Bkone )
#86
Exactly that is my experience from the last, lets say, 30 years dealing with Neurodermitis. Everything they tell you is, āwe do not really know too much about it, and can only treat the symptomsā. This answer has not changed in 30 years, and, by the way, is global! I got this answer in Germany (I am german and lived there for 27 years), in Spain (I went to university there) as well as in the Dominican Republic (were I currently live). But treating symptoms is the backbone of the conventional medicine, and each and everyone who is here on this forum probably knows that the real healing manifests itself outside of the doctors office.
As far as I know, the gut biome regulates itself over time on a carnivore diet, so there is actually no need to do anything else than eating meat and fat and being very patient.
Thank you very much ffskier! I really appreciate that!
Thomas2
(Bkone )
#87
Thanks!!! I will take a look at that, very interesting topic.
I have to admit, I love honey!! But I understand that it might not bring any advantagesā¦ Although I actually have the opposite, real-life example about honey. My grandpa had a couple of bee hives and produced honey by himsel, still employing simple methods. He only made raw honey, never pasteurized. He ate honey his whole life and was strong and healthy until he passed away at 92 years. He worked hard on his farm day in and out and never had any serious health issues. He also ate everything, fat, carbohydrates, protein (perhaps the difference was that he produced all of his own foodā¦).
Shinita
#88
Thatās how it is done normally in Hungary. We have zillion beekeepers and the honey is amazing. The tastiest thing to sweeten food, hands down if you ask me!
Honey is sugar is I pretty much avoid it since ages but with exceptions in December when I bake gingerbread. Though I bought a tiny jar from a good acquaintance (we were in the village choir together for several years) some months ago, it had ālemon oilāā¦ And prompty ate it all up, it took about a day because I ate it as slowly as I could (I am unable to eat much at once, I would get sugar poisoned immediately and anyway, itās inedibly sweet in bigger amounts. I usually eat it with something)ā¦
I have reasons not to keep honey at home though a normal big jar lasts really long (compared to the past when I finished it in 1-2 weeksā¦), I am not THAT uncontrollable but the tiny special jar? That was irresistible. No regrets ever (and I donāt feel guilt even when I do regret some stupid off eating).
I saw no problem with a tiny honey, our body handles fructose in little amounts. I just donāt think it gives me much benefits beyond being extremely tasty. But being in bliss (few tasty food can reach those levels but honey is just as awesome if eaten at the right time. and not when I already overdid carbs) definitely helps my health, both mental and physical 
I still rather eat fruits and not the super dense honey.
But if itās medicine for someone, good for them! 
I had anchestors with similar stories, peasants making their own food, eating HCHF, being healthy and strong until a quite old ageā¦ With good teeth, WHY I couldnāt inherit that? I have good genes in general but with weak points. Sigh. Or why Mom gave me stupid sugar, it took decades to figure out I better avoid itā¦
But those anchestors werenāt me. They had a different lifestyle, they were more active and maybe the really long living healthy ones had even better genes or they just worked well with carbs, something that my body very clearly told me itās not the case for me. My SO is thriving on carbs while I just get hungry and overeat like crazyā¦ I would never say low-carb is for everyone and high-carb makes people sick or that HCHF is surely bad as it totally doesnāt seem so but I know I canāt just expect good health and well-being eating carbs galore. Or in any significant amount if it comes to non-animal carbs.
I will keep eating honey, rarely and hopefully in small amounts, I keep the house honey free for the vast majority of the year (my SO is fine with that, thankfully). That will be best for me. Giving up honey for good? NOPE. Itās amazing and I donāt overdo it so my body happily handles it.
VirginiaEdie
(Edith)
#89
When I first started dumping, my teeth would hurt, my urine would be cloudy, my eyes would get gritty, and my body would get an overall achiness in the joints. There was one particularly bad dump where my kidneys hurt. I would also get skin eruptions on the bottoms of my feet.
Now, that it has been several years, I will get the gritty eyes, the cloudy urine, and the aching teeth. The symptoms are definitely milder, and sometimes I donāt quite realize its happening until it has passed.
VirginiaEdie
(Edith)
#91
Lowering or removing oxalates from your diet.
Oxalates are a plant toxin that can get stored in our bodies. Humans can have a type of bacteria in their microbiomes to help break down oxalate but from what Iāve read, antibiotics destroy those bacteria and they donāt get recolonized. (Donāt ask me why, Iām regurgitating info here.)
In the days of old, when we ate a seasonal diet, our bodies got a break from oxalate containing foods during the winter months, and oxalates would get cleared out of the body. Nowadays we have antibiotics that kill of the microbiome and we eat fruits and vegetables all year round. For example, we are told that spinach is a super food and we should eat lots of it, but turns out spinach has one of the highest oxalate contents.
Anyway, once we lower our oxalate intake by making sure we eat low oxalate fruits and vegetables or removing them completely via a carnivore diet, our bodies start to dump out the oxalate it stored up over the years.
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#92
Lack of dietary oxalic acid. When we consume high-oxalate foods, the body stores the crystals wherever it can, and when we return to a lower-oxalate diet (as used to happen in winter, before the advent of year-round fresh produce in the supermarket), it clears the crystals as best it can.
The ādumpingā occurs when a large quantity of oxalate crystals is released all at once. It can damage the kidneys and urethra in the process. People who excrete oxalates through their skin (crusty eyes, crusty patches elsewhere on the body) are spared some of that damage. Sally K. Norton says that the trick is to consume just enough oxalate to slow the excretion to a manageable rate, but not halt it entirely. We want the crystals to be cleared from our body, just not all at once.
Oxalic acid was discovered two centuries ago, during the investigation into a number of deaths during rhubarb season in rural Britain. It became clear that the decedents had ingested a toxic level of oxalic acid from the rhubarb. Oxalic acid is used in industry as a rust remover, because it is caustic.
Shinita
#93
Because of a typoā¦ But humans keep their mythsā¦ Many people still have problems with eggsā¦ I care less about spinach as I always disliked therefore didnāt eat it (poor people who get more serious oxalate dumping due to it though) but eggs are close to my heart.
I forgot about the antibiotics part, thank you to refresh my memory! Another reason I probably donāt need to worry about oxalate dumping (not like I would do that, worrying when not having a problem and not even seeing a good reason we will have one soon isnāt hedonistic). I feel sorry for people who has it, it sounds awful. I surely wouldnāt cut them out suddenly if it results in pain, I would lower them though.
Itās very natural for me now not to eat vegs and fruits in winter (or not much. December is worse but itās not ānaturalā for me to eat the way I eat then sometimes, I am just tempted and itās an old habitā¦). I can thank so many things to carnivoreā¦
ffskier
#94
Iām not sure if the gut self-regulates. Is it not based on the inputs given? Would it not be more prudent to provide a variety of inputs and try to cover as many potential deficiencies as possible?
ctviggen
(Bob M)
#95
You can also combine oxalate-containing foods with dairy, which will bind to the oxalates and allow them to be eliminated. Makes me wonder if this is why spinach is often served with a cream sauce.
CaptainKirk
(Kirk Wolak)
#96
As Dr. Atkins Nurse told meā¦ Not all inflammation is from dietā¦ As she refused to work with me, LOL. Smart lady. Turns out I had CIRS driving my inflammation.
So the question isā¦ Root Cause. I am noticing a lot of people with weird symptoms lately. Try to get to root causes. Lion is a great elimination diet. But it doesnāt cure things NOT related to diet. The reduction of inflammation could be helpful to many issues, hence so many great reports.
I am the LAST person to say āCarnivore Harderāā¦ Because my condition certainly did not improve with that advice, and not until I treated it, could I start to do better.
And this is my concern. Losing the ability to workout was one of my symptoms. Or rather, I could not recover from a single workoutā¦ For many daysā¦ I stopped making gains, despite working out.
So, I will always recommend getting bloodwork, as well as monitoring your Glucose and Ketones. For example, I am not doing well right now. I had to start on a high dose steroid againā¦ Just today. Last night, my CGM reported my 3AM (sleeping) glucose > 130ā¦ From below 100 when I went to bed. I did not eat just before bed.
My Oura Ring is BEGGING me to turn on Rest Mode. Telling my my body temp is too high, and my recovery is bad, and my HRV is worse than normalā¦
Then my foot pain kicked in. Yes, I am one of those carnivores who can get gout.
I am confident the underlying cause is exposure to mold while they are remediating part of our house.
So, itās complicated. Itās not always diet. And having some numbers you can trust, so you know what āabnormalā looks likeā¦ Can be helpful.
Finally, many people DO NOT eat enough going carnivore. They forgot that they used to eat 1/2lb of hamburger patties and > 1,000 calories in the bread and fixing that it came with, PLUS Fries, etc.
And they replace that with just the hamburger pattiesā¦ They are under eating.
I would like to ask how your sleep is? Shift work? And your Stress levels???
Finally, there is a theory that Cravings can come from missing SPECIFIC Amino Acidsā¦ Things that may be required to process the food you are eating, that your good bacteria is not able to make enough for you to do soā¦ (It seems reasonable, if unproven), watching my wifeās cravings during her pregnancy, I would tend to agree it might be part of our programming!
ffskier
#97
Have you looked at the work of Dr. Ritchie Shoemarker? I believe he was the first doctor to publish anything on CIRS. He does have a protocol for treatment. I would start there.
CaptainKirk
(Kirk Wolak)
#98
Following 2 doctors that follow that protocol, have his book, and used his GENIE genetic blood testā¦
Alecmcq
(Alec)
#99
I have a theory, but I am not sure I am allowed to explain in this forumā¦ too controversial.
PaulL
(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?)
#100
I donāt know what your theory is, but I have come to the conclusion that practically every non-infectious disease we suffer from these days is either caused or greatly exacerbated by our high-carbohydrate diet.
And Iām talking about everything, from the well-known physical consequences, to cancer, autoimmune conditions, motor-neuron diseases, to Alzheimerās disease and other forms of dementia, to mental problems such as schizophrenia, dyslexia, anorexia nervosa, bulimia, gender dysphoria, and the general level of inexplicable craziness in current society. Most of these would go away as soon as we could switch the popluace to a whole-foods diet containg a small percentage of carbohydrate.
It would probably take a few generations to reverse the epigenetic changes that affect offspring, however.