KETO and FIBER

(ray) #1

Fiber according to doctors is important for good colon health. I am finding it very difficult to consume appropriate amounts of fiber daily and stay in Keto. How can I do both?

#2

Watch Dr Harcombeā€™s presentation (itā€™s linked in another fibre thread) to feel relieved.

(Norma Laming) #3

You really donā€™t need fibre: see many videos on YouTube by eg Dr Paul Mason. People here on ZC do very well without fibre. It was a revelation to me when I read this:https://www.gutsense.org/fiber-menace/about-fiber-menace-book.html

There are many discussions on this forum about fibre, as well.

(Chris) #4

That fiber is required for gut health or digestion is a flat out lie, in my opinion. I havenā€™t had any in 2 years, to be honest.

(Carl Keller) #5

I agree that fiber is very important in a diet rich in processed foods. In his book The Obesity Code , Jason Fung likens the relationship between processed foods and fiber as poison is to antidote and says that without the poison, the antidote in unnecesary .

Futhermore, he says, It is no coincidence that virtually all plant foods, in their natural, unrefined state, contain fiber. Mother Nature has pre-packaged the ā€œantidoteā€ with the "poison . Processed foods remove fiber for palatability and profit.

The video that @FrankoBear posted is quite good. Dr. Zoe Harcombe says that fiber is a subset of carbohydrate and she describes carbohydrate as a non-essential nutrient.

The lower limit of dietary carbohydrate compatible with life apprently is zero, provided that adequate protein and fat are consumed.

#6

Many will tell you that you donā€™t need fiber, and many get along fine without it. Some people need it, Iā€™ve become one of them. Over 2 years keto at this point (this round) and had issues for awhile going in general, very spread out bowel movements, blood in stool issues. Got a colonoscopy and the said fiber would fix my issues, also found out I stretched some stuff out and now have diverticulosis thanks to all the struggling. Since making it a point to get it in, I havenā€™t had a single issue and go regularly again. I donā€™t count fiber against my carbs, it doesnā€™t get processed the same as others. Certain fats and things like MCT oil can get things moving, but for me theyā€™d accomplish that, but not help my other issues like very infrequent movements and blood in stool, fiber accomplished both.

(Norma Laming) #7

Though I think Dr Fung muddled things up with references to ā€œplant foodsā€ and ā€œMother Natureā€.

Plants have fibre because theyā€™re plants, not because theyā€™re foods. Mother Nature belongs in nursery stories.

People get on fine without fibre. Ibs improves and going without oxaltes, lectins, goitrogens, salycilates etc etc can only be good.

(Carl Keller) #8

Ah but metaphor is the spice of language. :slight_smile:

(Allie) #9

According to the same doctors that claim carbs are essential for good health.

(Chris) #10

Thatā€™s Mother Goose, dude.

(Mark Rhodes) #11

of course if you really want fiberā€¦https://caloriesproper.com/animal-fibre/

(Chris) #12

Fast twich and slow twitch fibers!

(Mark Rhodes) #13

HAHAHA. yeah, wait no. Noā€¦its more about the reason people eat fiber. Probiotics which are more usable from animal sources than non-digestible plant polysaccharides.

(Miro) #14

Aim for one avocado a day. A Costco avocado usually sorts out the fiber as itā€™s so big. So I slice it up for during the day into 2 diff meals.

Smaller avocados I aim for 2 or I add some flax seed to every meal.

The one avocado a day though does solve the (close to 25g fiber a day) (give or take a few)

(Libby) #15

+1 fiber is for the birds. My gut has never been so happy since I stopped shoving fiber at it.

(Full Metal KETO AF) #16

Easily deceived by crappy margarine! :rofl:

#17

Thanks for sharing your important comment. I get concerned when commentary only flows in one direction.

(mole person) #18

Haha! I love Jason Fung and thought that The Obesity Code was as close to a perfect book as I have ever read but that Mother Nature bit was some pseudo-religious bit of ā€˜folksyā€™ wisdom that didnā€™t belong in that particular book. Iā€™m glad that I already was suitability impressed with him before I heard him say that or it might have affected my desire to even pick up a book that fundamentally changed my life more than all the other low carb gurus combined.

(Paul H) #19

It may not be regular eating but, itā€™s regular and keto friendly alright. :slight_smile:

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(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #20

https://blog.virtahealth.com/fiber-colon-health-ketogenic-diet/