But I talked about other people’s experiences too as I have read their stories. And I didn’t ever lost fat on keto or on my several IF years except when I ate little and it was only a few short times. My “big” fat loss happened off keto. (On IF, yes as I would VERY MASSIVELY overeat and feel horrible if I ate all day. I can’t turn off IF but when it still happens, it’s a tragic day. 8 hours is still a crazy huge eating window for me, I go for 1-3. But it’s only me, others can do it differently.)
And if people who get hungry and undisciplined on carbs (like me) STILL can lose fat on mere low-carb (80g net in my case)… They can do it even easier on keto especially after fat adaptation.
My SO always lost fat quickly and smoothly on HCHF without IF. It’s individual.
There are no rules about being super strict timing or food choice wise for fat-loss. Some of us can’t comfortably do it without that but it’s not for everyone. (And I can’t lose fat at all, period but it’s my own little tragic thing. And I am optimistic. Give me another decade and maybe my weight will budge.)
Carnivore is great but no fat loss till now (no wonder as I don’t do it properly yet - not like I think I need that, my goals are elsewhere but I need to stay close to make them happen. at least I don’t overeat on carnivore - one day doesn’t count but I know what items to avoid now). But who does it right in the carni thread, they don’t talk about quick fat-loss either…
So it’s not like this at all. IF and carnivore may bring no fat-loss, sometimes even gain… And big fat-loss on mere keto stories are everywhere… There are many factors.
If your actual keto doesn’t work even long term, change something but it doesn’t mean you need to be drastic (from your viewpoint). It’s even possible that carnivore and/or IF wouldn’t solve your problems at all, there are no guarantees. You should find your own style that works and sustainable.
Keto as I interpret is has no ratios, it’s just a diet that puts you into ketosis… Those are individual. I would overeat using 70-75% fat unless I would be very, very careful…
Missing keto food, OK. I can understand it and it’s fine, good luck with that 
Even if you really will need some finetuning, it may be something subtle you are fine with. Or you may be able to reach your goals without giving up anything, it’s quite possible.
And I very much understand liking variety, I am the same. I mean, I like and need variety but you seem to be on another level. I have been eating maybe 6-7 eggs on average in the last decade and still LOVE them. Sometimes more, sometimes less and I need multiple egg dishes a day or else I would get bored. But I am an egg fan. I hardly eat a meal without eggs… I couldn’t eat only meat for 2 days… I need my super versatile eggs. I get bored of simple egg dishes but ALL the carnivore ones? No way. But I easily can imagine you need to spice them up and while I can’t imagine not wanting eggs every day, i understand that too. It’s how things are, we have diets we can and can’t do while not feeling miserable. It was a pretty big surprise to me that carnivore is possible for me, even in its limited, not pure (as I don’t see the need. I did it pure for a little while but I didn’t see the point for me) and on/off way. And I needed a long journey to even try it. And I am not particularly strict on my strictest experimantal days, that’s for other people.
Oh, that’s a thing? Fortunately I usually want juicy something. So a slice of radish will do (that’s why I do only carnivore-ISH except my strictest, very rare days).
And a crunchy something, well that’s more difficult (cheese whisps are crunchy but they are cheese only, not what I want). And I couldn’t eat crackers on keto either as I would eat up the whole pack… I don’t know why I can bake and cook so many things but not really crunchy things I need sometimes. I will try harder.
I have the opposite problem 
I wanna make and enjoy ice cream but can’t as I NEVER want it. If I make it, I eat it but it’s not enough. Sigh. I have great keto and carnivore ice cream recipes and what do I do with them? Basically nothing.
I consider my keto desserts WAY better than almost anything I can buy, that’s no problem.
Btw there are keto ice cream, I mean, one can buy them in some countries in a normal supermarket… They are probably super sweet with a horrible aftertaste for me, though… But it’s so very easy to make my own. I just don’t desire it I can get tempted by various non-carnivore items but NOT ice cream.
(And then I have read you found a solution too. Good. Sometimes we are luckier than another times.)
Try to read and not write, sorry.
Oh yep, we change. If we are super lucky, we can get a similar feeling from another item when our tastes evolve from our old fav. It happened to me.
But it’s usually enough to get new favs. I understand the power of nostalgic longing though.
I have some favs I refused to give up and I simply make them differently now (I was lucky I could do that, it’s not possible for everything). “Simply”. Sometimes I made hundreds of experiments to accidentally figure out what to do (pancakes. it was the biggest struggle by far. no one can take away my pancakes).
When I changed my woe, I had some temporal time when I was lost but with a ton of new recipes and too many experimenting it got better. And then I changed my woe and started again, keeping a few that still worked… (Carnivore was the best as I didn’t need many recipes and what I needed was super simple. Usually.)
But it’s NO good to overcomplicate things and trying to make everything keto. I didn’t do that, just with my important dishes.
And you consider 12 hour long, it’s so very odd to me 
Isn’t that normal for people who don’t eat at night? Maybe I think so as my family is like that, we can’t really go below 12 hour on the most extreme days! (My SO often do 11 but he wakes up at 4)… But it means you can eat and sleep soon if you want? Some poor souls must stop eating SUPER early or else they can’t sleep properly.
I have maybe 1-2 days per year with 6 hours. It’s almost always 1-3 hours otherwise… Sometimes 4 if my first meal is over 1300 kcal.
Sleep is vital for my long fasting window. I realized I better don’t let a long time to pass after my last meal until I go to bed. At one point it was 8 but it’s 12 hours at most. It’s after eating very well during the day (my energy need for the day should do)… I MUST sleep at that point or else I will get hungry so I will eat. It may be 3am, I will. And probably not a tiny meal. That’s one reason I need to eat later if I go for OMAD.
8 hour is a long time, no wonder you get hungry! I can’t even comprehend how my SO does his 8-9 hours (he is hungry but sometimes only in the end. sometimes in the last 4 hours). I never could do that.
I can’t sleep with hunger either or if I do (I did it once. I was desperate, I couldn’t lose fat as I ate too much), my sleep will be utterly horrible. Yep, you figure out these little things and make your keto to suit your needs. It doesn’t matter what others find and say, you are an individual.
I don’t consider anything below 16 hour IF as it’s the definition I met but I know there are others and it’s perfectly fine not doing IF at all. Each to their own. I actually read about 12/12 having some benefits too. And one needing more than 16 hours for even more benefits… It makes sense to me. But forcing it can’t be good in most cases.
Some people do 12/12 TMAD, it’s interesting to me as I never met anyone who could go that long between meals without doing OMAD…
Sadly, there are so many people who think there is only One Right Way… And I have heard about not welcoming (if you don’t like their exact ways) carnivore groups too. I started here and stayed and this forum is pretty friendly. I admire the carnivores who tolerate me and my super lengthy texts while not even being carnivore… I kind of try though, sometimes. So the carnivores here are call, they charmed me first so I tried it out, being baffled WHY when it’s so NOT me… But it was a good idea.
As you see I agree with you, people are different with different circumstances, goals, priorities so no wonder we need different styles of keto (or not keto as it’s not for everyone. a human should be able to do it but it may be less than ideal or impossible for someone).
Water weight doesn’t matter IMO. Mine was 4lbs. I lost 4 lbs in the first days and then nothing. But I got fat adapted and my habits changed, found some cool new favs… It was part of my journey and important. We should be patient, we aren’t other people - and it’s not just about fat-loss anyway. (For some people, not at all.)
But don’t give up your treats just to lose fat, it’s very much possible and even easy for many ketoers without that as far as I know and I have read about such things very much. If your keto works for you, don’t try to fix it. Maybe experiment sometimes if you like 
It was all so juvenile, like I was a child sent to a corner that would be spoken to only when they wanted to. It frustrated me that they believed their way was the best and the only way to accomplish what they we’re doing.
