Is it possible to eat too much fat or not enough fat per day?


(Cynthia ) #1

My daily diet consists of eating no more than four cups of low-carb veggies (one cup may be a low-carb fruit); seven ounces of lean meat (eggs, poultry, fish, pork, low-fat dairy, turkey sausage/pepperoni); five ounces of red meat (hamburger, steak, Italian sausage, brats, full-fat dairy, bacon, pepperoni) PLUS I am allowed to use butter, olive oil and coconut oil freely. Have been told to consume no more than two TB of half & half, full-fat salad dressings/mayo/sour cream per day. No condiments with sugar in them.
I’ve been following this plan since Nov 27 and have lost only 12 lbs.
I am in ketosis. I am just frustrated by my slow weight loss.
Any suggestions?
I’ve recently made an effort to add MORE fat to my daily diet in the hopes it may help my progress.


(Pete A) #2

How many carbs in those 4 cups? Are you under 20?

The rest of your menu sounds similar to mine and I get 65-75% fat out of my day.


(Cynthia ) #3

I’m not required to count macros on my plan but out of curiosity I started tracking them and on all but one day in three weeks I was at 20 or below.


(Pete A) #4

You are in a plan other than Keto? Then I can’t speak to that. I’m a big macro enthusiast :clown_face:


(Cynthia ) #5

The plan I’m in is all about ketosis but they don’t get into macros. It’s called Medical Weight Loss and Wellness. It’s doctor/nurse created and monitored.


#6

If the plan is about being in Ketosis, thennnnnnnnnn the rules of keto apply! You don’t have to be a macro nazi, but you do need to watch your carbs and protein, don’t worry about going over in fat, most people don’t pull that one off. Lean meat and low fat dairy? That’s for the “other” people that are on “diets”.


(Tessy M.) #7

Ah yes, the MWLD, my husband tried that while I started keto. After about 2 months his weight loss stalled at about 20 lbs lost and he remained hungry. He had very little success. What it really equated to, in my opinion, was a combination of low carb and reduced caloric intake. Reduced caloric intake doesn’t work, even when you’re on keto. The trouble I saw with it also was that it prefers you eat lean meat. Keto is all about the fat.
Also be careful of the sugar free jello you are allowed to eat… some brands have sweeteners that will spike blood sugar and cause an insulin response.


(GregoryJames) #8

The reason for your slow fat loss is because I believe you are taking more fat than you really need. The truth is, eating fat will get you into ketosis its the absence of carbs(glucose) that is the reason you’re in ketosis. If you are eating more fat than your body really needs then it is going to use all that fat you just consumed as energy instead of tapping into your own body fat. That’s why I recommend just consuming most your essentially fatty acids as your fat source. 40-50 grams of fat is enough, especially if you still have a lot of body fat to lose. Once you get to lower body fat levels, then you can consume more fat. Also, being in ketosis doesn’t make your fat loss faster, it just makes it easier and feel better. Hope that helps :slight_smile: if you have any other questions just message or reply back and I’m happy to help you out.


(GregoryJames) #9

Keto is not all about the fat, the standard ketogenic diet is originally made of people with epilepsy. Being in ketosis is because the reduction of carbs not eating fat. Also low calories is not bad as long as you get your daily requirements of protein and essential fats. I was able to safely and naturally, lose body fat and get ripped quick by only eating 1,000 calories. But I made sure I got my protein and fats and did a high calorie fat refeed every other week.


(Tessy M.) #10

Not quite. It existed long before people used it to treat epilepsy…
Also, reduced caloric intake has been proven time over time to have a long term negative impact on metabolism. It is not sustainable.


#11

Big difference than eating fat in excess and people eating fat to satiety which is what we do. Many people have broken stalls and had better results by cranking the fat up, I’m sure there’s no shortage of people that will back that here.

Correct, and they eat like 90% fat in their diets and eat WAY more restrictive than we do. The Medical Ketogenic diet is not what most people here do nor is it whats typically recommended. For many people upping fat is the missing link to loosing their weight.


(GregoryJames) #12

You’re right. low calorie dieting can have a negative impact on metabolism. But that’s why its important to have a 2-3 day strategic high calorie refeed to prevent any negative impact on your metabolism and prevent fat loss from stalling. Then once someone is getting leaner and close to their goal body weight then their calorie deficit doesn’t have to be that much anymore. Their deficit can just be little under maintenance calories.


(Tessy M.) #13

That’s the trouble with MWLD, very lean protein and prolonged calorie restriction. Both of which is opposite the typical keto WOE discussed here. It’s like keto only in the sense that it restricts carbs as low as possible and you test for ketones. And, if she’s following the MWLD, she is not getting the majority of her calories from fat, which is exactly what the users of this forum aim for: low carb, high fat, moderate protein.


#14

Cool chart here. Note the Nutrient to Energy Ratio arc. If you want to lean out you want to move towards in the direction of higher protein/ lower energy foods.


#15

Cut out the cup of fruit and replace with Spinach


(Sarah ) #16

If youre happy with the way you are eating, dont change it. But if you are open to change, I would recommend more fatty meats, unlimited low carb veggies, stop the fruit for a few weeks, and as much fat as you want. Fat is pretty self limiting. Youll feel like %^$ if you really over do it, youll figure out what nakes you feel full, and stick to that sensation and brain signal, pretty fast, Theres really no such thing as too little or too much from day to day, when you are planning a way of eating that last weeks or months or years. If, three months from now, you are felling good and meeting your energy and body composition goals, there will be no question that you are eating the right amounts of things. Its hard to trust yourself when you have felt betrayed by your body in the past, and when you are paying someone else money to tell you what to eat- youve has to convince yourself that you cant be doing it right. But now may be the time to transition to the next step, and start trusting your body about what is right.


(*Rusty* Instagram: @Rustyk61) #17

Get rid of the fruit for starters. Start counting net carbs. How do you know your in ketosis?


(Cynthia ) #18

I appreciate your comments. The more I read about genuine keto diets, the more I feel that the plan I am on is not truly keto obviously :frowning:


(Cynthia ) #19

Exactly! MWLW is very low calorie and very restrictive—no grains AT ALL, no sugars, wine, beer, potatoes or other starchy veggies, and very limited fruit options. I am frustrated because I’ve been following it religiously for three months and have only lost 12 pounds. Last time I did this plan I lost 30 lbs in three months. They changed the plan to include more fats and I’m wondering if that has screwed it up for me.


(Cynthia ) #20

Ketostix…I know they aren’t the most accurate but that’s what I check each day. I eat one cup of fruit from a very limited list of allowed fruits.