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(Stickin' with mammoth) #42

Agreed. Saw that one and really liked Tucker’s presentation.

Just the fact that vegetable oils were basically industrial waste that companies convinced people were food in order to turn a buck is enough to turn a stomach.

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #43

Maybe. But the second and third century BC Egyptians did not have industrial seed oils and still had diabetes, obesity, CVD and other diseases of civilization. The neolithic farmers who preceded them were probably not much better. For anyone who hasn’t seen it yet:

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #44

True. A ketogenic diet, eaten to satiety, above all promotes metabolic health. If we happen to have excess fat to shed, the body will usually shed it, but it is not unheard of for the body to add lean mass at the same time. This is why I always try to speak of losing fat, as opposed to losing weight, since fat is only one component of our body weight.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #45

Here’s more on the topic from Dr. Chris Knobbe. Tucker Goodrich sounded like a crank when I first watched a lecture of his, but I am increasingly convinced that our dietary disaster has been caused not by cheap refined sugar alone, but also by the industrial seed oils. They both entered the market around the same time in the U.S., so distentangling their effects is going to be tricky.

(Mg ) #46

“I think most people say they’ve done everything they could do, but in reality they did everything they (wanted) to do.”

True but I’ve never said that…
I’ve said I’ve done everything I can do and in many posts MANY went on to own to the fact
I detest exercise
I have a rough time dropping down.

So for ME personally I have done EVERYTHING me and my doctor think is conducive to MY own way of living.

To say everyone may claim to do everything is kinda saying it from your own personal perspective.

Not EVERYONE would or could do what necessarily falls in line with what someone else can or would do.
Very blanketed…
If it were that easy, no one would be fat and unhealthy.

I’ve (personally )been upfront about my entire walk, and even went further to say precisely my lifestyle, never hiding or covering any detail.

Not sure if excercise would help, or going into full ketosis.

With 20 left, if you’ve negated carbs down to 30-35 sometimes even lower, AND dropping caloric intake to the level I have…
And haven’t dropped a quarter of a pound in three weeks, it’s off to me.

Implementing anything may not work. Which is entirely what this original post speaks too.

So just wanted to clear that up.
Not everything is for everyone.
I dropped 6 sizes doing low carbs and zero exercise except for my very physical job.

I think I’m doing something right.

#47

Agreed, recomp is much easier though when you have a ton of fat and low muscle mass, once your fat is under control and have even intermediate levels of muscle recomp starts becoming very difficult. With you on the “loosing weight” thing. Bad habit.

(Mg ) #48

But a big shout out to those who have DONE EVERYTHING and can claim perfection.
Shout out to y’all! :rofl:
Those who are honest are just… Complainers. :+1:

(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #49

@MG1

In case you haven’t spotted it yet, I posted this DeLaur video in your other related topic. Maybe you’ll find something helpful in.

(Mg ) #50

That’s awesome! I have looked at everything everyone has posted! Thank you so much for your supporting posts and putting time in with me.
I really appreciate you guys.

I mean it.
I started attempting ketosis today. Got the salt and potassium I believe you mentioned.
Fingers crossed.

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #51

Not sure why you are addressing me regarding this…

lfod14 Brought it up…
I did agree with him…

Are you doing something you don’t want to do?

(Mg ) #52

Last post to comment that’s why
And your audience participation of course. Wink wink :rofl:

(Mg ) #53

Honestly it’s fine.
I don’t take it serious.

It’s a blog. None of us know each other.
It’s not life or death.
We will all wake up tomorrow hopefully.

It’s fine.
Everyone have a nice weekend

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #54

Actually, Fangs agreed after I did…:smile:

#55

Just leaving the Idea that beyond everything someone, can do and are willing to do is the very important KNOW is possible to do. Several years ago, after being urged by my doctor to lose weight, I was eating a lower carb diet (belly fat cure) and running or walking 3-5 miles per day. I thought i had great progress losing about 10 lbs over six months or more. Still obese though. I couldn’t sustain that level of activity once I returned to work and of course the weight came back. I was still eating right but the stress and reduction of a work out were working against me. I was so close to a keto diet and had I known about it, I would have tried it. The only real difference I see between the two diets is the lack of whole grains on keto and the emphasis on lower fat protein in the belly fat cure. Pretty much looks the same though. (Writing it like that makes it sound completely different but I can actually still use some of the recipes because of the low carb nature) Unfortunately, being able to have some carbs in that way leads me back to all the carbs. I definitely have to be lower. Long story to say people may have tried and stuck with things we aren’t really wanting to do because we didn’t know there was a better way.

#56

Having flashbacks of incoherent Facebook conversations? :rofl:

(Gregory - You can teach an old dog new tricks.) #57

Bottom line.

If you reduce caloric intake and increase activity, at some point you will start losing weight…
How much of each one is a balancing act…

Maintaining your health while doing this is a lot more complicated…

(Robin) #58

I can’t talk for anyone but myself. 9 months in. I’m down 50 lbs. 10 more than I expected. (My usual set-point, for years.) The last ten came off REALLY slowly. But since they were a “bonus, I didn’t care. In theory, I could lose another 10 but I’m not betting on it. I have to remind myself that the less I weigh, the less calories I need. Every once in a while I jump on a macro charting app and enter my new weight… the last time, it lowered my calories by 200 and my carbs down to 17 grams. (I’m usually lower.)
But the way folks progress (or don’t) on keto, is as diverse as we are. We are often tempted to overthink the whole shebang. I over analyzed in the beginning and asked a zillion questions. Even about my poop! Haha! Anyway, my mindset now is “keep it simple, you got this”. It’s not a sprint, it’s a life-long marathon.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #59

And at some point after that, your metabolism will slow down, making further weight loss difficult.

Notice also that the “eat less, move more” school of thought does not promise that the weight lost will be fat and not muscle.

#60

I am newly curious about the wedding of technology and hunger.

Whether we need help re-educating (psychologically) using available technology to regain intuitive eating.

Having locked in our own personal preferences in LCHF WOE, to instigate further health improvements (or lose more body fat) data driven keto eaters could try something like Marty Kendall’s “Data Driven Fasting”.

From Marty: Energy balance is king but counting calories is the hardest path to weight loss…

#61

Yes, we shouldn’t go there. But as far as I know, some unfortunate folks get this before they could lose. Their bodies just thinks it’s famine even when they just eat a bit less than needed. Instead of getting the little extra energy from bodyfat, they just start starving and functioning poorly.

Just like ketosis can’t promise lack of muscle loss either. We obviously need to eat well to keep our muscle mass, ketosis can be extremely unhealthy and damaging to muscle mass, obviously. We should do it right. Calorie deficit in itself is just for weight-loss (some people wants that, not health or keeping muscles. people are weird. but even if they lose muscles, they tend to lose much more fat. it’s still bad for their future but well, it’s not impossible to solve those problems later. they have harder maintenance after the loss, it’s their choice) and even that isn’t that easy and straightforward as many people like to say and think. No method is.
I have read many times about how wonderfully effective keto (or IF) is and well, nope, it isn’t, not for many of us…
We easily eat too much or just don’t lose when trying effective-for-others things. Ketosis doesn’t guarantee anything not closely correlated with ketosis. Fat-loss, well-being and all the others may or may not happen on keto, be it some individual style or the exact same that some other, more successful person does.
It’s just way too complicated and I don’t like the happy optimistic poetry about it being easy and straightforward and problem solving. I wish it would be that easy, just doing keto and solving all diet related problems… (And doing keto may be impossibly hard anyway, of course, we are all different with different circumstances.) But I don’t complain as it’s way easier for me than for many others who truly do their best and success doesn’t come or just insanely slowly.

You have lucky with your mind. Mine can’t NOT overthink things it is obsessed with. And it IS complicated and I need to find a way…
BUT yep, I realized obsession and overthinking can be quite counterproductive. I chill a bit now :slight_smile: (And should avoid this forum, actually as it feeds my obsession.)
Simple is good, it feels great when I manage that :wink: