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(Mg ) #1

Is there a point where you have went as far as you can go to lose weight doing ketosis, and or low carbs lifestyle?

The health benefits NEVER disappear.
The lifestyle is absolutely magnificent, no question.
However, is there a point the body reaches where it just says
Stop now!
If you don’t, I will stop you?

We hear about plateau, stifling, the pause period etc etc… It’s a huge issue when one researches weight loss in ANY regiment.
However, is it possible the body refuses to budge to allow weight loss.

(Not talking about starvation and famine. That’s horrific, and absolutely unhealthy which would be a huge cause for rampant weight muscle loss. Speaking about average health.)
I think it’s a question that has viability.


(Susan) #2

I think when your body has reached the weight that it wants to Maintain at; while eating low carb and eating a nice healthy amount of good Keto foods, that it will stay at that weight. We have a Maintenance section on the forum and some of those people have been Keto for years and Maintain at that weight. They need to still make sure that they stay on track and don’t go back to the SAD way of eating. Keto is a lifestyle WOE (way of eating) and it is important for all of us to remember that and not go back to eating carbs and garbage even after we are at our ideal weight.

Our bodies will finally decide our resting spot, and we will have many many plateaus where we don’t lose anything along the way.


(Mg ) #3

Oh my God! I totally Agree and I don’t think there is any shame in admitting it!
THANK YOU!
Now… Those who give up, when they need to keep going, especially those who very much need healthy ALONG with weight loss… Can attempt other avenues.
I AGREE with you!
Thank you!!!


(Michael - When reality fails to meet expectations, the problem is not reality.) #4

I probably sound like a broken record from saying it, but to answer your question: yes. Keto is a process of metabolic normalization. The normalization includes fat composition. For many of us, meaning men mostly I’d guess, we had that at the age of 18. For many others, though, and especially if you had to lose a significant amount of weight/fat to get there, the ultimate ‘new normal’ may not be exactly what you wanted or hoped. But it will be a good place to be.


#5

Based on what I have read on this website, it seems most people lose the majority of weight in the first 6 months and then stop. Now, I haven’t collected any numerical data to actually support this. It is just common enough to be noticeable.
Now, have been eating this way for over a year and have no plans to stop. Like you said, this is a healthier way to live, for me. I also think, again with no real evidence, that the body does need periods of adjustments. I don’t think we can sustain anything all that consistently beyond breathing and heart rate that is. It is why we sleep, rest and recuperate. I think after a long period of weight loss, the body needs a break. But, that is just an intuitive answer.


(Mg ) #6

Mike read my last reply to you ok?


(Bob M) #8

I kept losing weight for 6+ years, though I did lose most in the first part. I went from 43+ inch waist pants to 34 (with some 36s) about 6+ months ago, then tried the Croissant Diet and instantly gained 20+ pounds. Could no longer fit into any of my 34s and most of my 36s.

Now, I’m back to losing again and can fit into most of my 36s, but not my 34s.

NOTE: I also gained a substantial amount of muscle mass, including a lot around my waist, during the pandemic. Part of this is because I’m performing way more lower trunk exercises. So, the gain is not 100 % the fault of the Croissant Diet.

And, I did get an outstanding reduction in hunger, to the point where I’ve continued eating a high saturated fat diet. Just without the carbs.


(Mg ) #9

Croissant diet? What is it?


(Bob M) #10

It uses the theory that saturated fat causes your fat cells to be insulin resistant (basically, they are “full”), whereas polyunsaturated fats (think soybean oil) cause your fat cells to be insulin sensitive (they’re “hungry”).

It did help me with satiety, but not enough. If I ate dinner – and my kids were home all the time in the pandemic, so I felt bad not eating dinner with them – I would eat a normal meal. But had I been living on my own, I would have skipped dinner. I was not hungry. But once I eat, even a small amount, I suddenly get hungry.


#11

Absolutely there are some bodies that can go on losing for a considerably longer time than others. I didn’t mean it as a hard and fast rule or that it couldn’t ever happen. I just notice when a post talks about not losing, it seems to fall around the 6 month mark (or the very beginning). I don’t think that is an accurate representation however because only the people not losing are asking for advice. I absolutely believe there are some bodies that can do amazing things like continue losing for years and years, just like there are some people that can run marathons. However, I don’t know as many marathon runners as I do people that say they will only run if they are being chased. Just looking at the idea of all things need time to rest as it applies to weight loss. Add to that the obvious fact that as you get closer to your goal, weight loss slows down and of course if will seem like your body stops losing weight at a certain point.


#12

a physical body will hit a ‘set point’ and time on plan, not changing too much, while hard as friggin’ to do, means if we hold strong then we get body results.

we can only walk thru it all, there is ‘no perfect’ point where it all ‘meets our personal timeline’ so if we just ‘let it be’, ‘get out of our own way’, and not think too much but HOLD that line of our healthy eating options we function best on, at some point, that body will respond.

just thoughts on my end cause this means alot with others on a carnivore plan as with any healthing eating play like keto or very low carb or more so…long game on it all is key.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #13

It depends on what you are after. I began this way of eating to reverse Type II diabetes and have done so. In the process, I shed 85 lbs. (38.63 kg) of fat with no effort. During the following twelve months, my weight remained stable, but I lost more fat (because my clothes fit better) and gained some muscle (because my weight remained stable).

I would surely look better if I could lose another 85 pounds, no question, but why do I need to, apart from vanity? My body is comfortable at my current weight and composition, I can walk up and down stairs, my arthritis no longer troubles me (unless I overindulge in the carbs), I can wipe my butt, and I can get down on the floor and get up again without having to plan first. After a decade of coping with some sort of fatigue syndrome, my stamina is back to normal levels.

Would I like to lose more fat? Sure. Will I take what I’ve got? I thank God daily. Given what I’ve already achieved, would it really be worth the effort to force my body to shed more fat? It doesn’t seem likely.


(Mg ) #14

Paul granted we could go into it deep. With facts studies and science however there is one fact that we can never dismiss…
You lose weight when you deduce. Period.
Of course amount time what the body is digesting all go into it…
However when you’re deducting especially in both areas where the experts have never disagreed… And you are healthy, no hormone issues (that’s a biggie ) and you’re sticking too it…
And nothing happens… Not a quarter of a pound…
Then the darn science is totally wrong.
This isn’t a hissy fit. Hee hee
This is common sense, yes?


(Linda ) #15

I’ve been keto/ketovore/ recently trialing carnivore coming up 11 months I’m 7lbs from goal and still losing…
I’m under dr cywes and he asked me last month when do you stop? I said I don’t stop …he replied correct you never stop…he told me I’ll prob drop down to 130 I’m currently 142 I’m not sure I want to go that low for me 135 is where I was kind of aiming for …but if I was to stop right here I’d not be devastated when I started this it was to walk away from diabetes I’ve done that I’m off my BP meds… I’d just have to change my focuss and trying to work on figuring out how maintenance will be for me.
I did hear a keto coach say they see alot of people stall out before goal but often its too much of something, dairy nuts sweetners,too many calories or keto products and or cheat days meals…

Dr Cywes says if your stalled out your eating too much…


(Tracy) #16

I can’t agree more with this. I’m seeing people left and right lose weight assuming they cured obesity and start eating carbs again. Did they really forget what caused obesity? Just like any drug, mistake #1 is believing you have control over it. I’ve been at the same weight for nearly 2 years. Apparently this is my ideal weight. Keto is the reason I’ve stayed at this weight.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #17

This is a longstanding discussion on these forums. The standard advice is “eat less, move more,” and this does work—up to a point. Remember that the “Biggest Loser” contestants permanently damaged their metabolisms with the extreme dieting and exercise the programme put them through. And most of them regained a large part of the fat they lost on television. Which is why the programme will never have a reunion episode.

Gary Taubes has one of the best explanations of what the science actually tells us: there is a hormonal response to the foods we eat that determines how our body deals with it. Often this hormonal response trumps the question of how much we are eating. He suggests that while the First Law of Thermodynamics always applies, we may have gotten the direction of causality wrong. In other words, it is not that people get fat because they eat too much, but rather it is because they are in fat-gaining mode that they have to eat large quantities of food as a result. And if we eat in a way that puts us into fal-loss mode, of course we will use more energy than we consume—because our hormones are directing the process and setting the level of our appetite and our metabolic rate.

Consider the phenomenon of the pubertal growth spurt. NO ONE believes that the reason teenagers grow is because they are eating their parents out of house and home. EVERYONE understands that their appetite is necessary to fuel the growth spurt demanded by their hormones. Taubes suggests that we should also apply the same thinking to fat gain in adulthood, and his point seems really plausible. I find that, if I eat one way, I don’t get fat, whereas I do get fat if I eat another way. The quantity of food and number of calories is really irrelevant to this.

I have come to the conclusion that “eat less, move more” is a conspiracy on the part of skinny people to punish people they think are weak, lacking in self-discipline, slothful, and gluttonous.


(Stickin' with mammoth) #18

Make up your mind.

Does everyone automatically lose weight when they eat fewer calories than their bodies require?

No.

Nope.

Not even close.

Try being a menopausal woman with extreme insulin resistance whose body responds to the mildest forms of fasting by spiking cortisol so high she gets sick and cannot function, who’s been keto for years and pure carnivore for months and has barely seen the scale budge…then we’ll talk about CICO.

This. If, hormonally, your body is not accessing the energy you are giving it, it will ask for more and more energy and then shut down little by little to survive. I saw this start in my own body as a 25-year-old weightlifting mountain climber–I spontaneously started putting on fat while growing more and more tired and everyone, including my doctors, accused me of gluttony and sloth.

23 mountains. Right, sloth.


#19

Sure, the body can’t make energy from nothing so yep, energy deficit results in weight loss.
But our energy need easily can get lower and it’s not right for everyone to eat below their actual energy need as their not well working body may decide it will uses less so they won’t lose any, just function more poorly. There is a limit somewhere but there are extreme cases, poor souls.

So yep, if we eat less than our actual need, the body must consume itself to some extent. If we eat less than our original need - and especially if we eat way less than before, it doesn’t guarantee weight-loss at all, it’s not that simple, obviously.
(I only think about fat and muscles, not water, water can change rapidly.)

Eating keto and carnivore says nothing about our energy consumption so of course they can’t guarantee fat-loss even if we have much to lose. We can gain too, why not? They often help but that’s it. Many of us can eat a ton on keto using certain items or too many meals etc. Maybe not every day but some of us surely can do that too. Hunger and satiation isn’t THAT reliable for everyone and I for one doesn’t eat according to them only.


(Mg ) #20

Thank you so much Paul! I think we see things very much the same.
I am going to keep moving onward ,.of course and I will hope something will snap back into play for me.
That’s all I can do at this point. If you come upon anything over here that triggers my issue can you reply back? Would love anything I could find


(Mg ) #21

It is huge! And important,. It is! And so discouraging especially for the new arrival to the lifestyle!
I can’t think of anything as bad as working so hard, and not seeing the fruits.

I do sizes off… That’s a blessing I’ve seen and lived that. However some don’t make it to that beautiful place because it’s not obvious. Gotta really sit still for a long time to see that glorious size movement and nothing on the scale