I think I’m out, y’all

(Brian) #41

I didn’t want to hijack the thread but the whole discussion does make me question whether there are some genetic things that may happen that make different diets or even different tweaks to specific diets either better or less good for our specific genetic makeup. I know there are some specifics talked about form time to time but I’m thinking in a more comprehensive sense, like a diet customized to each individual based upon personal testing.

Probably Star Trek at this point, but maybe closer than I think. (?)

(jilliangordona) #42

I agree with this. I’m currently reading a book on Ayurvedic medicine, which is principled in this idea. Not sure I buy ALL of it, but it is interesting to investigate nonetheless

(Jack Brien) #43

Good luck and keep us posted

(Mike Glasbrener) #44

Best of luck to you! I too am curious about after insulin has been normalized a number of years what happens when more low glycemic complex carbs are introduced back in. Can one’s body adapt normally or is the damage permanent.

#45

This podcast episode is very interesting in regards to not only fasting but also low carb/keto. They spend a signicant amount of time discussing women specifically in terms of plateaus, weight gain, etc. Genetics is a big thing as is N=1 experimentation according to the guest. Neither guy is opposed to keto or fasting but neither is an advocate either per se. It’s interesting to hear the other side of the story sometimes.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-art-of-manliness/id332516054?mt=2&i=1000390806992

(jilliangordona) #46

Awesome! Thank you!

(Karen Parrott) #47

Glad you are taking the right steps for you to feel better. Best wishes.

(KCKO, KCFO 🥥) #48

Wishing you all the best in sorting out what your body needs. I also hope you stick around at least part time, you will be missed if we don’t see you.

#49

This thread is an example of how we do a disservice to the community by defining a “keto” diet based on carb count instead of based on the state of ketosis. Keto isnt a WOE, it’s a physiological state.

My sister is a vegetarian. She probably averages about 75-100g of carbs. Her blood ketones are typically 0.6-0.8 mmol.

My mother aims for a macro of 50% fat, 35% protein, 15% carb. Her ketones are 0-0.6, depending on wine consumption.

My dad can maintain ketones levels of 0.6-1.2 via IF.

I am the most metabolically deranged member of my immediate family. I can eat anything I want so long as I fast two days before and after, my ketones will stay above 2.

I would classify my family as being on a keto diet, even though all of us consume more than 20g of carbs. So if keto is a result rather than a diet, what’s not working? I can think of 3 problems:

  1. Poor food quality. A keto diet tends to emphasize macros. A paleo diet emphasizes food quality. This is better than a diet heavy in processed meats, fat bombs with artificial sweeteners, factory dairy, and other low quality “keto” foods. A paleo diet can easily be ketogenic when defined as maintaining a state of ketosis.

  2. Nutrient deficiencies or subpar gut biome. Could be vitamin, mineral, or fiber as a result of insufficient vegetable intake. What’s optimal is very individualized.

  3. Problem with ketosis. Could be caused from poor utilization of dietary fuel sources. Inadequate de novo glucose synthesis or insufficient mobilization of fatty acids.

Many LC healthcare practitioners (like Dr Perlmutter,
Dr Mercola, Dr Wahls) advocate a well formulated diet that is essentially a Paleo diet that results in a state of ketosis at least some or all of the time.

(jilliangordona) #50

Yes!!! The 20g of carbs rule, which can be important as not everyone chooses to measure ketones or can, honestly created borderline disordered eating. Yesterday I had some overnight oats, and some gluten free noodles for lunch and lots of veggies for dinner. At the end of the day I felt so GUILTY because of the 20g carb indoctrination. I do measure ketones, and am at .7 this morning

(Michael ) #51

I agree, but you’re advocating measuring blood ketones vs. Carb count. I’m not going to prick my finger and measure ketones every day. The 20 grams is a catch all to avoid invasive testing.

In addition, a lot of people are sugar addicts and it’s a slippery slope between having a banana, and carb binging. The individuals experiencing weight loss and satiety with a keto diet is primarily the result of steady blood sugar levels. It benefits people with unhealthy eating habits to keep carbs low.

But you’re absolutely right that a macro based diet lends itself to eating trash. Following a paleo diet with little to no fruits and tubers is the healthiest foundation for keto.

People do get really carried away with fat bombs and dairy. Every time I see a post about someone not losing weight on the magical keto diet, but they drink 800 calories of fat in the morning and haven’t had vegetables in months, I’m never surprised. There’s too much emphasis on the healing powers of fat and not the realization that a body needs every vitamin and mineral to have proper metabolic function.

Stop drinking bullet proof coffee if you’re fat!!!
If you insist on eating breakfast, have a few cups of brocolli with the butter you would have drank!! Keto isn’t magic and fat isn’t magic. If you’re obese and someone told you to drink fat to get thin, you may want to utilize some critical thinking skills

(Tessy M.) #52

Yes, maybe? I can’t vouche for it but the DexaFit centers offer a genetic test that they say will help fit a diet to your needs.
Anybody have any insight on this?

(jilliangordona) #53

Update for those interested: I’ve been able to maintain a 0.5 mmol/L ketone reading, a fasting glucose of 63 and a post meal glucose of 85.

This is after eating meals with oats, fruits, sweet potatoes, etc. I’m young, and on metformin, and exercise regulary. I will keep measuring overtime, but I found it all rather interesting nonetheless. For my n=1, keto allowed me to fix my derangement and be able to properly handle carbs

Edit: I will admit it may be a little early to make this judgement. I can’t speak on the energy change yet, I was hit with the flu this weekend

(Chris W) #54

If your metabolic derangement is fixed, why are you still taking metformin?

#55

Thanks for the update, Jillian!
@cwstnsko - not sure how often Jillian will be on these days - there’s a thread where she goes into the metformin prescription (I don’t remember the details, just that it wasn’t the usual 1st-step-of-diabetes treatment)

(jilliangordona) #56

I’ll still be popping in, I think my perspective will be useful to some

(jilliangordona) #57

I just transitioned from keto last week, so I think it may be a little early to drop the metformin. It’s the only thing that has allowed me to lose weight, and I receive no negative side effects from it. So for the time being I plan to continue taking it.

(Candy Lind) #58

WOW! That’s a bargain - I got a “great discounted deal” at $630 when I had to be tested in order to drive for our company.

(Candy Lind) #59

OUCH! Feel better soon.

(jilliangordona) #60

It’s not as bad as it could have been, which I will credit to healthy eating! I should be back to work tomorrow