I really want to get drunk

(Jennie Greene) #12

Thanks @OldDoug. I guarantee that if I imbibe, i will feel like shit the next day or maybe even the next week. Is it worth it? I dont know the answer to that. I’ve had lots of fun being intoxicated and know a thing or two about hangovers. I just dont want to ruin my current success but dont think its realistic for me to NEVER drink again. Maybe not 18, but 6? :slight_smile:

Seem to be stuck
(Doug) #13

May not be a popular answer, but I’d say go ahead and try it. See what happens.

(Robert C) #14

If you do - do it with eyes wide open.

Remember Robin Williams line - something like “I can violate my standards faster than I can lower them”.

Maybe at this minute you wouldn’t order a pizza, or think ice cream was a possibility, or decide to extend your party to Monday.

But be honest with yourself (maybe write down stuff), if you wake up in bed with those 2 non-keto dudes (Ben and Jerry’s) and there are flat oily boxes, ranch dressing in plastic cups and pizza crusts all over your kitchen - how do you think that “extending your streak” decision will go?

(bulkbiker) #16

If you are interested in my 2 cents… don’t do it… It sounds like you had an addiction problem with no off switch after 2 months its pretty likely to switch itself back on again… After about 2 years of keto I made some keto bread and could not stop eating it. The texture and taste took me right beck to my carb addiction days I ate the whole lot over 2 meals and was constantly tempted by it until it was all gone. I did this precisely twice just to see if the effect was the same and it was. No way will I ever make that again… so if you ever felt that the excess beer consumption was kind of addictive I’d stay well away for a couple of years.

(Not a cow) #17

Congrats Jennie on the weight loss and the turn around to make it two months strict so far. At one time, I had been strict keto, but only for 1 month, was 20 lbs down, floating on a cloud at how easy it had been to remove all sugar cravings, and remove the desire to binge eat, just about everything from, “you name it” to “I can’t believe your putting all that in your mouth” .

All it took, in my mind, was a little let down in that discipline I had been developing, I allowed myself a couple of beers, instead of a simple ( 1 serving) glass of wine once in a while. Then it was a couple of fast food burgers with buns, instead of a keto meal at home. I’ve been on and off the saddle many times since then, gaining and losing the 20 lbs back and finally gaining it all back and probably more, ( too scared to weigh myself) over the next 8 months, but still ketoing and fasting on again off again, trying to get off of this carbaholic roller coaster, again. The Keto WOE had been on the sideline for much of the past year, coming out only when dining with friends our family who thought I was still off the carbs.

Can’t say it was only the beer, but wished that I had made it through the last nine months strict instead of the 1 month, as I could have been down, 50lbs, 60lbs, heck 100lbs down today and feeling so much better.

What I’m trying to say is that, in my opinion, if you have the beer bender, then it’s possible that you lose the keto discipline you worked so hard for, Don’t be sorry like me, be very careful with your new found WOE.

#18

Oh Jennie Jennie Jennie, I think I love you :kissing_heart:

Here is a post I made in a different topic, It may help. If you click on the topic title, you can see the whole conversation -

It may help.

(Heather~KWOL for life!) #19

Thank you for asking an honest question and being honest about your thoughts. I despise the taste of beer, lol, that’s just me… but I wanted to let loose about 5 weeks in and I went with diet soda and Captain, served my purpose and we had a lot of fun checking our BAC with the keto breathalyzer! Because my sisters and I are dorks! My personal experience is that when I relax and allow myself a little break here and there, I’m not as apt to crave it and have done well not overdoing anything by having my mind set that nothing is off limits, which in turn helps me not overdo anything, and I am not so hard on myself and sabotaging my journey. I’m sorry, I rambled, but wtg on your successes! I hope you are able to find what works for you, and you will.

(Thurston ) #20

Have a couple Martinis and call it a night.

If I needed a little fix that would be my go to.

If you drink 6+ beers you’re going to feel like a bloated, swollen piece of crap.

(G. Andrew Duthie) #21

Maybe this isn’t what you want to hear, and not sure how to say it without coming across as “judgy”. But in my experience, no one who does not have alcoholism can drink 18 beers in a sitting. Most people would be dead.

That’s not a comment on who you are as a person, it’s a statement about physiology. Alcoholism is a disease, not a moral failing. But it’s a disease that has only one means of defeating it, which is complete abstinence.

Can I be certain about this? Are all binge drinkers alcoholic? No, I’m not a professional in that field, and this isn’t a diagnosis.

Just a caring observation from someone who has lived through it, and who would wish better for you than putting yourself through this.

Aside from anything else, you should be aware that the amount of alcohol you’re talking about can have significant downsides, not the least of which is increased cancer risk. Something to ponder.

I wish you well.

(Banting & Yudkin & Atkins & Eadeses & Cordain & Taubes & Volek & Naiman & Bikman ) #22

This is offered without judgement, condescension or condemnation. Please take it in a spirit of honest care for a stranger asking for help.

I don’t think I need to tell you that your prior level of consumption would be considered a drinking problem.

I probably don’t need to tell you that you know the answer to “can you get wasted just one time,” but just in case I do, I don’t think that you can get wasted just one time. Forget the ketosis and fat burning. I suspect that you are not capable of stopping at one session. When the single session becomes a monthly and then a weekly and then a daily, then what concern will ketosis hold for you?

You can get wasted. But you will probably waste the previous two months of sobriety. For what? What value will getting drunk produce for you? If it’s a reward for success, you should find less destructive rewards. If it’s a release from cares, I’d recommend other avenues.

(Mike W.) #23

Thank you.

#24

Ooooooooooo Andrew, I promise you, I can drink 18 beers in a sitting without batting an eyelid, and I don’t have alcoholism. Also I know of many people who can do the same and much more. Though I do agree with you, when you say, we shouldn’t. It can’t be doing us much good. :disappointed_relieved:

(Frank) #25

“Beer is shit”. Thems be fightin words my friend. :wink:

(Doug) #26

:smile:

(Natasha) #27

Just my two cents but if I were you, I’d get drunk on something keto friendly. Gin, couple splashes of soda water, twist of fresh lime…

(Doug) #29

There’s definitely a cost to it, from several perspectives; not trying to minimize that. I’ve wondered about it - the definitions of alcoholism or " Alcohol Use Disorder" are pretty broad, really does not take much to qualify. “Binge drinking” = 5 drinks for men, 4 for women, within 2 hours. “Heck, that’s not even drinking…”

I don’t know if there are just excessive people, period, rather than actual alcoholics. Always have felt that way myself.

(Brian) #30

Maybe you “COULD” at one point in time. I think you need to be careful about thinking you still can. You may not be as able as you think.

I used to be able to eat an incredible amount of ice cream at a sitting. Last time I tried to eat some, I had about 2 tablespoons and really didn’t even want to finish that. (It was my birthday party and they’d have been hurt if I hadn’t had at least a taste.) Mentally, I’d have loved to have eaten a quart of it. Physically, I think I would have puked less than half way through.

Stuff does change over time. I’m farther in to the low-carb / keto thing, just over a year. My tastes have changed significantly. What I used to eat, I can’t anymore. I suspect if I tried to drink a quart of sweet tea (something I did regularly a few years ago), I’d end up just like the ice cream, a little in and seriously not wanting any more, like “I’m gonna be sick if I keep going.”

Good luck. If you decide to have an event, I hope it’ll just be a single event and you’ll be back on track with your keto experience. Single negative events are usually non-events. Negative events that repeat often are a concern.

(Frank) #31

I could never put that much beer down in a day even in my prime. Growing up in a small town in northern Minnesota where drinking is a sport, cracking the first cold one in the am is not uncommon. Craft beer has changed the formulas for sure. Typically much higher abv and body. I will say that I’ve had way shittier wines than beer over the years. :beer:

(KetoQ) #33

Hi Jennie –

I can understand the need to unwind and have a drink or two. However, you might want to change your drink of choice, as someone suggested, to a good martini, instead of beers. It will help you keep the carbs down. I’d hate to see you undo some of the good work you’ve done so far.

I picked up a four pack of a saki/wine cooler this past weekend that had 4 carbs. I thought I’d try it if I felt I wanted to unwind with a drink. Have not tried them yet.

My advice, if you feel you need a drink, look for low carb substitutes, so that way if you do end up binging, its not too carby.

Good luck,
Q

(Brian) #34

I’ve wondered about that myself, Alex.

I’ve never been much of a drinker. I could count the number of drinks I’ve had in the last few decades on the fingers of one hand and have fingers left over.

I read the news articles that say no amount of alcohol is healthy, ever, not even the glass of wine they used to say was good. But there are people like you mention, like the French, that eat the high fat, drink the wine, eat the eggs, and are remarkably healthy.

It makes me wonder if there is more to it. Are there factors that aren’t really being looked at? Does the wine being consumed become better for a person when it’s local to them? or made like your grandfather would have (as opposed to a commercial production)? Are other factors like what else is or isn’t in the diet key to how that wine affects the overall person?

There are even Biblical suggestions that small amounts of wine can be beneficial or medicinal. (But getting drunk is not considered good by Biblical standards.)

I don’t know. I’m not really convinced that I need to start drinking but I’m also not really convinced that a small amount even on a regular basis is a problem.

But I appreciate your post. It’s interesting.