Half measures avail me nothing.
How long until I'm back in ketosis? Any bets?
KBG
(Khara)
#63
K. So not hungry = likely back to fat adapted. But ketones would have been present prior to this right? Just not spilling them and not showing on the pee strips because you were using them all? @Karim_Wassef predicted this earlier.
Does it matter when you are back to 1.5 mmol/L? I mean other than just for curiosity?
You aren’t hungry so are fat adapted, right? Your ketones are low cause your body is using them all, right? Once you get to 1.5, isn’t that just extra, unused/not needed ketones?
(Do you see it like a buffer to make absolutely sure you have fuel?)
Karim_Wassef
(Karim Wassef)
#64
Actually… for people who lift … higher ketones can be valuable.
I measure before and after and I can drop ketones from 3 to 1 in one hour.
Think of it as a charged battery. Actually, it’s one of 5 batteries … the body is really into this “redundancy so we don’t faint, die, and get eaten” thing.
There’s the creatine phosphate cycle, then muscle glycogen and liver glycogen, then glucose, then free fatty acids, then ketones… all sources of energy … some for burst power and some for “long running” endurance power.
If you’re a heavy energy consumer, the ketones keep you going for longer before your body has to go make more. If you go too low too fast, the body has to make glucose and it does that by breaking down lean mass protein. It’s one of the ways that ketones spare lean muscle.
Kris86
#66
I notice that the higher my ketones the better I seem to feel. Maybe its placebo, who knows.
Karim_Wassef
(Karim Wassef)
#67
I feel the same… until I get above 7-8. Above 9 feels harsher.
Sweet spot is 3-6 for me
KBG
(Khara)
#72
Ah, interesting. You too @Karim_Wassef
I’ve only measured fairly recently and just for curiosity and to verify my belief that I had indeed converted again. I hadn’t yet heard that people feel better at a certain level though. Or I’ve just missed it. So, once your body gets more efficient at producing and using ketones, won’t your level naturally drop? And then what will you do to try and raise it?
Kris86
#73
There is nothing like the second day of a fast imo. I feel incredible. Every time I think “why do I ever eat?”
Kris86
#74
I ordered 14 patties from in n out btw and am eating it with 6 oz of cream cheese and a bag of pork rinds.
(Have the same thoughts.)
Karim_Wassef
(Karim Wassef)
#76
The body always adapts… and levels will drop first in urine, then in blood as you maintain.
IF and OMAD helps keep it higher, even while adapted, but ketones vary throughout the day depending on food, supplementation, exercise, physical stress, etc… I can go from 7 to 2 in the same day… and from 1 to 3 on another.
Stressors and exercise cause ketones to drop temporarily but they bounce back higher.
Fasting causes it to rise. Eating causes it to fall.
Some supplements help push glucose lower and ketones higher… ACV, MCT, Leucine, coffee, vitamin C but the dose makes the drug of course.
The biggest anti-adaptation is confusion… change the time you do things… eating, what you eat, when you eat, the type of exercise, when you exercise… the more unpredictable, the higher the body maintains ketones just in case you do something it can’t predict or anticipate… keep it guessing and it’ll keep more fuel in the tank.
