How long until I'm back in ketosis? Any bets?

(Karim Wassef) #41

I thought it was OMAD which is why it didn’t make sense… ok, so 500g of carbs (2.5 lbs of food) a day for 4 days. That’s more meaningful.

I’m a big eater too, but I think I max out at 4 lbs or so OMAD… 10 lbs would have been well beyond my scope.

#42

I’m mostly Omad while KETO. While CHETO I was hungry for more more more all the time.

#43

Just about 22 hours, still nada.

(Karim Wassef) #44

If you want an accelerator - do 30 min sauna… then wait a couple of hours.

(Kirk Wolak) #45

Well, I just did a 22.5 Mile walk while fasting.
AMAZING blood glucose and ketone recovery.

If you FAST and EXERCISE (low and slow), you could actually recover in 2-3 days without a problem.
In fact, if you did the same as the 22.5 mile walk in a day. You could pull it off in 2 days, I believe.

But EVERY BODY is different. YMMV… for me, without exercise ONE cheat MEAL takes 3-5 days of recovery. A Cheat DAY like you did would take me 7-10 days of recovery, or 4 days of fasting PLUS low/slow daily exercise.

It is MY BELIEF that we should ALL develop an OOPS Protocol to follow WHEN life hits. So, that point when you realize “OOPS, I should not be doing this”, you start the next day. Either with a FAT FAST (loading fat to quench any hunger. After thanksgiving, I was extremely hungry, which I am not used to feeling, and it made straight up fasting harder. A fat fast lets me load fats for 2-3 days, then do my fasting).

So, I will Fast until my weight is AT/BELOW the weight I was the morning of the OOPS. Then I will fast ONE MORE DAY to lock it in. And that is my penance for cheating! I accept it up front. Then life can happen.

In the process, I can now look at ANY FOOD, and “PRICE IT” to determine if it is worth it.
It’s like seeing a WONDERFUL Slice of Chocolate Cake, with Chocolate Cream Frosting, and Ice Cream, and EVERYTHING you love… And seeing one serving cost $1,500.00 and saying “F-That”!
In my case, all desserts have 3 prices:

  • Purchase Price
  • Impact Price (What it is going to do to me), which is awful
  • Recovery Price (What I will have to do, to work it back off, and get back to normal)

Acknowledging these 3 prices (when you are as cheap as I can be) is important. At times, like holidays and my birthday, the price just has to be paid. And I am good with that! It means “Never can have” does not enter my lexicon… “Simply NOT Worth it!” does!

(MooBoom) #46

Love this. It’s how I approach tempting foods too!

#47

I would think that ketone strips won’t really show what you want to see? I understand the strips show the ketones you’re dumping, so a positive reading just means that you’re dumping ketones and not using them, which isn’t your desired place to be in…

(Rob Grantham) #48

Dude please don’t take this the wrong way but restriction/punishment following a binge is something you should be careful with. Be kind to yourself no need to restrict and excersise. Even going back to keto eating will suffice. Few days and you’ll be good as gold

(Jane) #49

Uh-oh. Looks like my prediction is fixing to fall.

(Kirk Wolak) #50

Rob,
I don’t take it the wrong way… But YOU Must acknowledge that EVERY diet failure starts with falling off the wagon, and NOT getting back on the wagon.

Therefore, a process to recover is needed. And that process should involve something that explains the cost. BECAUSE you also have to deal with the “Sister-In-Law” (Mine tells me: “Everything in Moderation is fine” [Worse advice ever], and “Once a week, you SHOULD have a Cheat Day [Her daughter is a doctor, and LIVES this way]”) but that is HER metabolism, not mine. I was able to show her my blood numbers following a cheat day, which destroys the entire week for me. (And Dr. Boz video on cycling out of keto on the weekend in a study confirms this). My niece has acquiesced and gave the response “Wow, it will probably get better over time, but with those numbers, cheating every week would not work for you!”

The point is NOT punishing my behavior. The point is that the BEHAVIOR is punishing me! If I behave this way, this is the cost I will incur. Either lost time, or more fasting! (And the wishful thinking that we SHOULD be able to eat whatever we enjoy is what got most of us to this point)

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #51

I would add a fourth consideration: risk of never getting back to keto—not that that ever gets considered, usually, in such situations.

I also strongly advise banishing the word “cheat” in favor of “relapse.”

#52

This changes the picture entirely. I thought this was all in one day. From what I understand, one day is far easier to recover from than 3+ days. Some actually recommend 3+ days just to reset everything, some warn that 3 days is where a significant impact to your progress in ketosis happens (reverting).

I guess we’ll see how this one works out.

#53

Well my blood testing supplies are delayed until Wednesday from my beloved Amazon. I’m stuck peeing on strips until then just praying for a color change of any kind.
So far I’m 34 hours into a fast with nothing registering on the pee strip. Wah wah.

#54

I have a feeling that today is the day though…

#55

This was for sure a relapse. I imagine if I was in OA I’d have to take a newcomer chip.

(Karim Wassef) #56

If you’re fat adapted from being in Keto historically, the pee strips may not show anything for days after you’re actually in ketosis. You body will be using most of it.

(traci simpson) #57

Word???!!! how can you eat that much in one weekend!!! lol Wow that’s impressive in a funny kind of way.

(Khara) #58

Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I’m curious to see how this goes. Be kind to yourself though. It could have been much worse. My binges usually last about 9 months.

You specifically asked how long until back in ketosis. With fasting I’d think it’d be less than 2 days. I’m more curious though about the time span between back in ketosis and when you feel fat adapted again so I hope you’ll continue to update on that. Now that I’ve done keto for several years on and off, I have found that my body feels like it quickly converts back to fat adapted even if I am in the middle of a long term SAD WOE. It’s strange. I can eat the carb crap meals and snacks and yet not get the hunger pangs like before I ever did keto. I feel like my body switches between sugar burner and fat burner quickly now that it knows how.

(Karim Wassef) #59

Fat adaptation actually stays with you for months and even years … even if you go carboholic again.

We’re all born fat adapted (fetuses live on ketones to develop big human brains) and it takes a decade of carb loading for the body to lose its dynamic metabolic range.

Once the fat adaptation is encountered again, it triggers epigenetic switches that make you much more robust metabolically.

Oldie but a goodie (I think): https://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2012/08/17/human-body-favors-fat-adaptation.aspx

#60

Well I’m not hungry anymore which is a good sign. I’m 37 hours into a fast.