How do you stay below 20g of carbs per day and not starve?

(Nan Kilkeary) #41

I have a friend who won’t eat bacon either. . . my kids cooked me a pound of bacon for my birthday (I didn’t eat it all!) so I can’t relate to not liking it. But, to each their own. The problem you’re going to have returning to your old diet and adding a keto meal is that you’ll be mixing high carbs with higher fat. Hope it works for you, but it’s tough go for most of us.

#42

6 pounds of beef a week! We’re not all the same, but I only eat 2 ounces for a meal. 2 one ounce meatballs, or a small patty Perhaps you were over doing the protein? You could try adding ground flax to your meat for more fiber to help your tummy?

(Pamela L Smith) #43

There’s more then just meat…Olives, Nuts, cheese, avocados, cream cheese…I’m having trouble too and I guessing it’s because I too love my veggies! I had no idea that there were so many carbs in them! I’m also having a hard time making the fat higher!!! Starving I’m not though… full all the time! Can’t quite get to the calories I need… When hungry…reach for fat! Cocunut oil, avocados, nuts…MTC oils…etc.

(Karen) #44

New here. I have enjoyed the discussion and found several high fat or dessert ideas☺. Don’t forget flavorings can help. FYI one favorite food I like is brie. Cloud bread is also easy to make and seriously helpful for a packed lunch. Love all your helpful hints. The suggestion I heard most for k was more fat. Counterintuitive but true.

(Bunny) #45

My favorite unbridled opinion:

  1. If your “starving” or craving sugar and carbs then you are not burning fat!

  2. Thinking you can go back to the way you were eating before will increase your weight gain threefold because it will damage your metabolism each and every time and make it more and more difficult to lose weight the next go around!

  3. Losing weight is not a natural process!

  4. Digestive enzymes take time to adjust to plant based diet that is why you are bloating!

  5. Keto is a way of life not a “diet.”

  6. If you do not understand these basic principles then do not bother utilizing “keto” because it is extremely dangerous!

(Brian) #46

I wondered if you’re filling yourself up on water before eating and feel “full” because you drank too much. Some advocate not drinking for a short time before or during a meal, for varying reasons. I do drink with a meal but that’s usually more like “sipping”.

Maybe you’d want to add some different veggies, whether for salad or cooked. Asparagus and squash come to mind. Other cooked greens such at turnip, mustard and collard greens are tasty to some. I like spinach, but don’t want it every day.

Salads can have lots of stuff in 'em. Lettuce and tomato are common. I like adding a little onion, maybe some hard boiled egg, some olives (green and black), some feta cheese (or any other cheese for that matter, even cottage), mushrooms, whatever you like, and topped with a nice full fat ranch for me.

Just what comes to mind…

(medleyc) #47

I feel your frustration. I can’t stand being hungry. I really do think you should stop worry about the calories and include more fat…your fat induction is very low at this point. Don’t give up…

(medleyc) #48

Thanks, this helped me too.

#49

I see a problem in your idea of ‘recommended foods.’ Don’t go by what other people are eating. Try just using the basic principles to create a diet more in keeping with your personal preferences.

And if ALL low carb foods bother you, then perhaps this isn’t a diet for you?

(Richard Hanson) #50

Bunny …

What exactly is “extremely dangerous” about eating a ketogenic diet?

How does “understanding” impact the risk of eating LCHF? Is it more dangerous for a person who has very limited mental acuity to eat keto than someone with an advanced degree in biochemistry? Dr. Eric Westman’s Page 4 makes it possible for just about anyone to eat keto with the only requisite knowledge being that if it is not on Page 4, don’t eat it. Compliance might be an issue, but not understanding.

Keto is not dangerous, what is dangerous is a box of Krispy Kreme Donuts.

Let’s try not to unnecessarily alarm people with hyperbole.

Keto for Life!
Richard

(Bunny) #51

You eat excessive carbohydrates and/or sugar with high fat diet, that is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS in too many ways to count!

It really is that simple!

(Richard Hanson) #52

Yes … you previous statement is obviously just wrong as that is clearly not a ketogenic diet. It really is that simple. The ketogenic diet is safe, and certainly not an EXTREMELY DANGEROUS diet high in carbohydrates and/or sugar.

Let me fix it for you …

  1. It is extremely dangerous to eat a high carbohydrate and/or sugar diet, but a keto diet is safe.

Let’s not scare Newbies away from the ketogenic diet.

Keto for Life!
Richard

(Bunny) #53

No matter what mental acrobatic feature you are attempting to accomplish; trying\attempting to take the science out of the equation and me out of context on an identical point is moot!

It’s just not possible!

(Richard Hanson) #54

Please show me the science that says the keto diet is extremely dangerous. Please just go back and read what you wrote, not what you where thinking about, but what you actually wrote. Then consider if you where someone new to keto and you read point #6 … what impression would you have.

It is not a matter of science, it is a matter of giving people a false impression about the risks of eating a ketogenic diet.

(Bunny) #55

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(jilliangordona) #57

I believe simply what she is trying to say is that if you choose to follow the high fat principals but continue high carb because you do not understand, you can do more harm than good. Not that keto itself is dangerous. Perhaps poor wording, but I do not think anything negative was meant.

#58

She’s putting keto in quotes because she’s saying that coming in and out of using keto is not, in fact, ketogenic.
High fat + high carb = bad idea
I don’t think that’s what the OP is suggesting but it sounds like that’s what Bunny is arguing against.

ETA: what Jillian said :slight_smile:

(Richard Hanson) #59

I think she said what she said and it was both wrong and misleading.

According to the PURE study, a higher intake of fat is associated with a lower risk of total mortality and a higher intake of carb is associated with a higher risk of total mortality.

When people eat more fat, most people will naturally eat fewer carbs and overfeeding studies show that it is much more difficult for people to overeat on fats and proteins than it is to on carbs. Eating high fat + high carbs is likely safer then eating low fat + high carbs, neither of which are ketogenic.

My goal was simply to inform “newbies” that keto is not an “EXTREAMELY DANGEROUS” way to eat even if one is not perfectly successful at complying with a ketogenic diet. Let us not scare away people from eating fat after they have been continually told most, or all, of there lives not to eat fat because eating fat is dangerous when we know that eating fat, especially natural fats, is safe.

Keto for Life!
Richard

It is time to make my morning keto coffee with butter and coconut oil. Have a great day and a productive week.

(Brian) #60

I didn’t read the whole thread but Jill seems to be making a very valid point. It’s something I kinda worry about with some. They see how wonderful the keto diet is for someone close to them and think they want to eat HFLC, too. Only thing is, they end up eating high fat, high carb, and cheat by eating sugar, too. To my way of thinking, that’s probably worse than avoiding the fat like they’ve been brainwashed to think is the only way to good health.

#61

Slightly off subject but I wanted to commend y’all.
One of the things that I love about this forum is that the “arguments” are civil, helpful, and seem to come from a place of helping each other.
Unlike facebook {which I loathe and have a deactivated account) where it seems people just get crazy when they are disagreed with. Grr, what’s wrong with society? Maybe all the sugar is making them nuts.

I used to alway hear the arguments of why we’re no longer healthy when our grandparents ate bacon and eggs and hamhocks and fatback (my God, how I loved fatback as a kid I should buy some). Simply put, they ate these things, they were healthy because they didn’t follow up the bacon and eggs with a half dozen donuts, some twinkies, and snack on frickin’ candy bars all day.

By the way, yes, keto is perfectly fine… you just can’t have your cake and eat your bacon, too!

As to the subject of the thread, the first few days of keto I thought I was going to starve and just wanted to go back to low carb, it seemed impossible. Then something weird happened, I adapted to eating this way and burning fat. Good Lord, the human body is a marvelous thing! :pray: :smiley: