How do we stop this nonsense?


(Doug) #41

Ha! :smile::clap: Very well said, Bob.

Your point about a ‘Mediterranean diet’ is well-taken. While I think there is value in looking at things, like, “Why do people live longer/better,” so often marketing or, at best, a bumper-sticker mentality comes into it. Perhaps just a version of the ‘magic pill’?


(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #42

Am I right in thinking the average Human was over 6’ tall in pre grain times?


(Joey) #43

Perhaps. But measuring tapes were only 4’ long, so you have to take that into consideration.


(Edith) #44

I do believe that is true. I’ve seen mentioned several times in various books and papers I’ve read.

This article is an interesting overview, but I did find the following paragraph amusing:

Eventually, the trend toward shorter stature reversed, and average heights for most populations began increasing. The trend is especially notable in the developed world during the past 75 years, following the industrialization of food systems.

Agriculture started approximately 10,000 years ago on average. It is only the past 75 years that average heights began increasing? That is a looonnnggg “eventually.”


(Bob M) #45

Though I wonder if being a hunter-gatherer meant that being tall was more important (can go farther, capture/find more food). But for agriculture, being shorter is an advantage, because you’re doing a ton of manual labor, much of it down low?


(Kirk Wolak) #46

Yeah, I can’t think of a group that fails on so many levels.
They’ve been caught in an email scandal to make the numbers look worse.

They edit SOME measurements in the past for Normalization (which appears to only make the past look cooler). They call measuring 2% of the planet. MOSTLY near cities or towns… A GLOBAL measurement.

They ignore ROUND OFF errors and relative error. I read one analysis where the 1 to 2 degrees of warming over 100 years, with numbers like 32.5 degrees (meaning the 2nd and 3rd digits after the decimal are not known). Add up over 100 years to 1 - 2 degrees of uncertainty.

And that even within that. ignoring the DAILY temperature fluctuations (because the sun is the source of warmth) are well beyond these values…

Meanwhile we were MANY Degrees warmer just a few thousand years ago (seek out Randall Carlson). And we are near HISTORIC LOWS of CO2 for the entire time we have ice core data (500 million years). We have been 20 to 30 times higher in CO2 and never had RUNAWAY heating. We’ve had ice ages…

This is just one more attack on controlling us. If we cannot grow our own food, and we cannot make our food “Because you need a license, since it is so dangerous”. Then they can control us… “You said the wrong thing on X… No food this week”.

FWIW, to people who “know we must be contributing to warming”. Realize that they blended the “Humans are damaging the earth” into “Humans are causing the warming”. Since the first is CLEARLY TRUE. When they link them, the second seems “reasonably true”. So, do not think I am saying we should be bad stewards of the planet. And we have been. We need to do better. Just don’t tax me for breathing because of a false association. (Hence EVERY ONE of Al Gores predictions were wrong). So wrong, they changed it from Global Warming to “Whatever we Claim” (Climate Change).

There has been warming. As we enter more intense solar cycles. The long pause proved it wasn’t CO2 because that never stopped.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #47

There isn’t. Walter Willet made something up from a bunch of national diets. Ancel Keys approved. That should tell us something, right there! :scream:


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #48

I suspect that would have varied a bit by diet, but palaeo-anthropologists routinely find that hunter/gatherers who at mostly meat were taller and had healthier bones than agricultural societies. They pretty much don’t even need to look at the radio-isotope data.

It is well-documented that the Plains Indians of the U.S. were noticeably taller than the white settlers, until they started adopting the white man’s diet and subsisting on U.S. government food allotments.


(Bob M) #49

That does seem to be true:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/american-plains-indians-h/

Except they say this:

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Ah, what?

There’s also this one:

Which says:

Though I think the variety of native plants probably had little to do with it. I listened to a book on the Comanches, and the book said they basically ate buffalo. Some tribes did eat more plants, but even those mainly ate meat. Why would you eat plants when you could kill something that is hundreds of pounds and will feed many people? For weeks (they processed the entire carcass and smoked meats).


(Geoffrey) #50

Ahhh, you get it. :grin:


(Geoffrey) #51

Well considering the fact that the whole thing is made up I’m sure there is. In fact, even in our lifestyle of keto/carnivore we have varied diets but there is only a “Mediterranean Diet” in the minds of those who wish it to be so.
I’ve live in the Mediterranean in Greece and Turkey and I never saw any evidence that the average person ate anything remotely similar to the fabled Mediterranean Diet. The only thing in common was the that they used olive oil for nearly all fats and lots of olives. Btw, their olive oils were not the junk we get here that are cut with canola oil. Theirs is the real deal and pure and it is delicious in all its variations.


(Megan) #52

Yes, you are correct. I’ve been alive for thousands of years and I am 6’3" :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:


#53

I feel robbed. I grew up on a farm where they fed me tons of meat growing up, and I’m only 5’2”.


(KM) #54

And Danish to boot. Me too, in fact you’ve got almost 2" on me.


(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #55

I know. It’s annoying. I topped out at 5’ 11" (180 cm) and then started to shrink, because of wear on some of my vertebra. So I had lost 2" (5 cm) by the time they stabilised my spine. I want those two inches back! :rofl::rofl:


(Alec) #56

What utter ludicrous nonsense those guidelines are. Theology. And the problem is some people are going to fall for it.

The Agenda is strong…