Hi to all! If I may I'll start with a Question

(George Nazlis) #1

I am aware about Keto diet for about 2 years now. I’ve seen all the YouTube videos and I think I have got the basic knowledge nailed. I have a Question though that haven’t been answered in my research… It has 2 parts

Q: Let’s say my daily Carb tolerance to stay in Ketosis is 50gr and:
A) I start sipping from a smoothie that has 70gr of Sugar, evenly for the next 5 hours or…
B) I have an omelet that have 3 slices of white bread (10gr Carbs per slice) witch I eat within 10 minutes
Will any of those 2 conditions take me out of ketosis?

Please note that in both conditions I incorporate Hi GI -evil- Carbs.
Thanks!!!

(Bunny) #2

Yes! Will knock you clean out of ketosis!

Don’t eat bread for three days when trying to get into ketosis! You need to be under 20 grams of carbs (including sugars) for three days or more to kick start the body into ketosis!

When you do eat bread it needs to be very thinly sliced!

#3

A) Yes. Sugar is just about 100% carbs. Your tolerance is 50g/day, but you’ve consumed 70 in the sugar alone.

B) Possibly. You are consuming a minimum of 30g carbs that day, which is not enough to kick you out for the day. However, because you’re eating them so quickly, you might experience a shorter period of ‘kick out’ during the day. It might just take you very close to kicking out.

Both of the above should be avoided if possible. Some find it difficult to get back in, once they’re out. If you’re doing this for weight loss, you won’t be doing yourself any favours at all.

(George Nazlis) #4

Thanks for your swift response.
Condition B is well covered by mememe but what I really want to know with “A” is:
If you take little enough carbs, per unit of time, to have an insignificant spike in insulin, does it matter if your daily tolerance is lower than the sum consumed?

(George Nazlis) #5

Also I’m talking about already being adapted for more than 2 weeks - I know that the initial conditions to convert from Glucose to Fat burner are very sensitive.

Thanks

#6

Yes. If you can consume 50 grams per 24hrs, but you actually consume 70g over 5hrs or so, you are WAY OVER your personal limit. You’ll be kicked out so quick, you’ll get whiplash!

(George Nazlis) #7

Clear Enough!!! Thanks!!!

#8

Caveat - we are all different tho. The only way to know for sure, is to try it, experiment with it, and see what YOU are able to do without getting kicked.

This is a fairly obvious one tho!!

(Consensus is Politics) #9

I think many people may think of this the way I used to think.

The whole ‘nn’ Number of carbs per day. I’m a technical guy. I look at things in a way that normal humans don’t. So when I hear ‘n’ per day, to me that means in a 24hr period. PERIOD. So to me that means if for dinner I eat my one meal a day (one meal a day is my prefered way to eat, no longer being hungry all the time :cowboy_hat_face:) if I eat that meal at say, 3 pm, and it contains 20 grams of carbs, and I then eat the next meal at 10am, and it contains 20 grams of carbs, then that’s 40 grams in one day. Two calendar days sure, but within one 24 hr period. Unless there is some biological reset that occurs while we sleep :thinking:

So I think I can see a little more clearly the gist of your question. Is it a sudden load of carbs that slaps you off the horse like a tree branch. Or is there some kind of biological calculator at work keeping track in some fashion? I beleive the second to be the case.

From what I’ve learned thus far, keeping your insulin low enough so you can continue burning fat for the majority of a 24 hour period is probably what keeps you in ketosis. If (and a big if) you could sip that milk shake all day long, and not go above a certain amount of insulin, then in my opinion, you might be able to overcome the restriction of carb intake. BUT (indeed, a very big but) I do not think it would be an easy feat to pull off. Not only does sipping some carbs increase insulin, proportional to the amount sipped, so in theory you could possibly calculate the amount to sip per minute to keep it low, BUT… there is also an insulin response to the taste. And again, my own opinion, that might be a bigger uncontrollable insulin spike than sipping carbs. It’s a Pavlovian response. Something that we might be able to untrain our bodies from (my opinion again, but if it’s a learned response, we should be able to un-learn it).

Too confusing? I think so. So I started out by just going zero carb. No guessing, no keeping track, just eating to satiety :cowboy_hat_face:

Keto Vitae!

(Ken) #10

You’ll find that as time goes by and derangement reduces you can become more flexible. In the beginning, it’s better to keep carbs at a minimum, as you want to make sure your body totally shifts to burning fat for energy. Later, you can add carbs back in for metabolic purposes.

(Mike W.) #11

It’s not nearly as cut and dry as that bread you want to eat…

(Lotta Rossler) #12

Hey… that kinda ties in well with a question I have… IF you overdo it, say have a “cheat day”, or even only a cheat evening, and your body leaves the ketogenic state, how long does it take for you to get back in? Surely, that would depend on how much carbs I’m taking in during my cheat period? As in, it would not take the full two to three days it took me when I initially started Keto, as I don’t have the same amount of glycogen stored as I had when I started off, yes? On the keto dudes website it even says, that most people even enter ketosis during sleep at night for a short while, if they didn’t have a late meal…?

(Natasha) #13

If I remember rightly, the body can only store a limited amount of glycogen so once your stores are full, they’re full…

(Lotta Rossler) #14

Thank for your reply… but still, I wonder how long does it take until they’re full, would it be one small cheat treat, or a full car loaded meal, or even take a full day of eating carbs? Or does it depend on the individual…?

(Natasha) #15

“Of this, around 400 grams, or 1,600 calories, are in your muscles and about 100 grams, or 400 calories of glycogen, are stored in your liver. So, muscles store their own fuel in the form of glycogen and the liver provides an additional source of glycogen that can be converted to glucose.”

Don’t know how reliable that source is though!

(Robert C) #16

For (A) The answer is within the question (sort of). When you wrote “daily Carb tolerance to stay in ketosis” I take it to mean that with all of the exercise, walking around town, sleep, current metabolic rate etc. that you will go out of ketosis at anything over 50 grams of carbs (and 70 is greater than 50 so you are out). The “sort of” part is that daily is about an average day. If today, you start sipping a smoothie for 5 hours, beginning a 15 mile hike up and down some hilly trails - I think you’ll stay in ketosis.

(Candy Lind) #17

It’s not a matter of”daily tolerance” so much as it is a matter of whether you are 1) fat adapted, meaning your body can readily switch from burning fat to carbs & back again; and 2) if you’re performing enough high-energy activities to use up the carbs and keep from filling your glycogen stores. An ultra-marathoner could probably do what you’re talking about without blinking an eye; me, a pudgy post menopausal woman with 75 pounds to lose? I’d be sick for a couple of days. :exploding_head:

“Fat-adapted” and “in ketosis” ARE NOT THE SAME THING. You can deplete your glycogen stores and get into ketosis in 3-5 days, but fat adaptation takes most people 4-6 weeks, and some much longer, depending on how metabolically deranged they are. Don’t confuse the two.

(Running from stupidity) #18

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