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(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #62

Pure, distilled water has a hydrogen ion content of 10-7 gram-equivalents per litre (to quote the Encyclopaedia Britannica) which is neither acidic nor basic. In fact, the very definition of neutral pH being 7.0 is founded on the pH of pure, distilled water.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #63

The main water supply for New York City is the Ashokan Reservoir, which is aggressively patroled by the New York City Department of Environmental Protection. The DEP Police have serious powers to deal with anyone who might remotely be contaminating the water. Things may have changed since, but as recently as twenty years ago the water was so pure that New York didn’t have to chlorinate it.

This discussion also puts me in mind of the many claims by spas throughout the world for the healing power of their mineral-laden waters. Spring water is certainly more enjoyable than pure, distilled water, which usually tastes dead.

#64

Very interesting. The average person would assume nyc water would be terrible. Not so and youve explained why.
I believe bathing in mineral-laden water does have healing powers. I also just read a study stating that deep underground spring water does have very bioavailable form of calcium that is made available due to all the other minerals that are present. I’m skeptical pending a reading of the study details and methods. Your taste buds may be telling you it is good for you.
I distill to get rid of all the stuff in tap water. I love the clean non-taste of it compared to tap.
I see conflicting ideas about everything and continue to search for answers. I’m open-minded and welcome the opportunity to learn. But sometimes I think it all boils down (heh heh…distilling …boils) to what we choose to believe or possibly to gremlins and magic.
Note: I noticed my quote has a ‘blush’ face in it. It was supposed to be a smile face which makes more sense. Wasn’t wearing my glasses. It’s really difficult doing this on a phone.

#65

Sorry for late reply. I missed your post
Although this quote doesn’t make this clear minerals all come from fruits and veggies. But animals like cows and chickens and snakes and bugs are eaters of these fruits and veggies directly or by eating an animal that ate veggies and fruits. Minerals are in the soil and the only organisms that can turn them organic are plants. We eat the plants or the animals that eat the plants
The fact that you’ve gone that long eating meat is wonderful. Glad to hear youre healthy. It’s encouraging.

(Central Florida Bob ) #66

Looking forward to this, Edie. The things you mention are either sloppy writing or sloppy thinking - or both.

I went to the “24 Doctors” page and note that they aren’t 24 doctors whose specialty would have them seeing patients with problems like this, and many aren’t medical doctors at all. Not that M.D.s are particularly worthy of complete respect in general either. I see an “N.D. Ph.T” and can’t even find out what a Ph.T. degree is. Then I see many more that don’t list any degree at all.

I’m not saying that what they say is wrong, it’s more to ponder, why call it “24 Doctors with the Courage to Tell the Truth…” and not say more about qualifications? Lead with your strong points, not the weak ones. It all seems to be N=1 stuff. “So and so did this and got much healthier.”

(KM) #67

That would be Dr. Paul Bragg, of apple cider vinegar fame. Born 1895, died 1976. If wikipedia is to believed, the man put the brag in braggart, most of his claims are unsubstantiated or downright false. The Budwig center might want to revisit promoting him as an expert on this topic … or any other topic, for that matter.

#68

It’s not meant to be scientific, just easy reading to pique your interest. I’m drinking distilled water because it pulls all the crap out of tap water including fluoride which those pitchers can’t remove. Were you hoping to find answers in a forum? Go search yourself. Agree or don’t agree. I’ve come to my conclusion after studying the subject for over a year just as I’ve come to the conclusion that keto, which is debated by many,. can be healthy at least temporarily.
Not all doctors are medical doctors. In fact I would say the specialized researchers know more than medical doctors who are more like mechanics fixing bodies or witch doctors pushing meds to hide the symptoms while you get worse. Not all but many.
Thanks for the discussion. It’s fun isn’t it?

(Doug) #69

In my opinion, he was somewhat of a “lovable old rogue” - some of this claims were ridiculously over-the-top. :wink::smile:

(Central Florida Bob ) #70

I think that all of us are trying to find the truth as best as we can, and I don’t mean to insult or belittle you.

One of the hazards of being an engineer is we get very mechanistically focused and OCD over details that might not matter, or might not matter much. I absolutely know that “not all doctors are medical doctors” and almost went down that road myself for a Ph.D. EE. I also know the sarcastic observations about Ph.D.s, like “it takes a Ph.D. to be that stupid” or “knowing more and more about less and less until you approach knowing everything about nothing” and others. In common conversations, and especially in the medical world, “doctor” tends to mean “medical doctor” rather than Ph.D. and it’s absolutely right to call the Ph.D.s Doctor. And a “mud fud” (MD, PhD) is never called Doctor Doctor.

I also don’t trust or distrust anyone in particular because of their backgrounds, degrees or titles. “Show me your data!” Another side effect of being an engineer is getting so good at math that you cringe at how medical and biological studies are done.

I’ve looked into whether Flouride actually makes our teeth stronger and more decay resistant. I know a guy through other blogs and forums who is an endodontist. I asked him for his take on flouridated water, and he thought it was the best way to improve dental health. I understand his calculations for what he thinks happens to the enamel and while it clearly can make enamel stronger, the effect is on the order of a couple of percent stronger. Yeah, there are threshold effects that might mean being 2% stronger (I don’t recall the actual number) makes you several times less likely to have a cavity, but I don’t think the rate of cavities in “free range” kids shows that kind of benefit. Dentists, of course, just say, “the kids aren’t obeying us.” Which, to me, is closing their eyes and refusing to look closer. It’s like the doctors who assume just because you haven’t lost weight, “eating less and moving more” that you must not be obeying them. That is, you’re cheating. I’d bet that the vast majority of people who come to this forum have seen that.

I live in an area that doesn’t have flouride in the water, so I never paid a lot of attention to that. As for Chlorine in the water, it beats dysentery, but that’s about all. I have a whole kitchen water filtration system.

And thanks @kib1 for:

I noticed Wikipedia didn’t have an explanation for what a Ph.T means, just that he used that term, and Wiki didn’t inspire my confidence in him.

#71

Thus the hundreds of testimonies on the Bragg’s site. There are billions of dollars to be made by big pharma which gives incentive to researchers to find the profitable solutions and beat down free or low cost treatments while shaming those who promote them. Then some people feel good jumping on that bandwagon like kids in highschool hanging with popular kids hoping to become popular themselved.
In my experience, anyone who gets better after taking a concoction or eating certain foods or drinking a certain water wants to shout it from the rooftops hoping to help others. These antecdotes are important especially when so many people have had the same experience.
But some people want to hear from almighty doctors who may be pushing a drug only made popular by “medical” antecdotes of patients feeling better after taking them… The probable reason this doctor site was created was to try to make these doctor-philes listen. There are probably thousands if not tens of thousands of people giving testimonies of their success with distilled water. But they’re not doctors so they’re dismissed. I’ve depended on these antecdotes all my life. Some go back thousands of years. I’m here in this forum because of antecdotes. I suggest you don’t dismiss them
I’m finished replying to distilled water discussions. I’ve shouted from my rooftop. I’m moving on.

(Doug) #72

It’s not “dismissing home remedies” or anecdotes, etc., to note that Bragg was a scammer. Nor is it advocating that we blindly follow the medical-pharmaceutical-industrial complex.

Paul Bragg routinely claimed to be 14 years older than he was, and somewhat hilariously and perhaps even endearingly (:smile:) - at times he added on even more years, contradicting the earlier and more consistent claims. There was a strong element of “I’ve found the Fountain of Youth, and you can have it too if you buy my products.” He always presented himself as a “life extention specialist,” with his purported longevity being proof that his methods worked.

‘Snake oil salesman’ - he went fairly far with this, being convicted of practicing medicine without a license.

Claimed to have wrestled in the 1908 and 1912 Olympics. Did not happen. (In 1908 he was actually only 13 years old. :wink:

He said he got tuberculosis as a teenager, and that after being given four months to live by his doctor, went to a Swiss clinic where he began his journey into the miraculous effects of what later became his recommendations and products. Did not happen.

The discussion has come up before:

With respect to something like apple cider vinegar, it’s fine if somebody likes it and uses it. The fact remains that the ‘Bragg’ name has been behind many outright scams, many things of dubious value, and even things like the apple cider vinegar - things that are available elsewhere at substantially better prices without being involved with the commonly silly hype related to the Bragg name.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #73

From etymonline.com:

braggart (n.)

“a boaster,” 1570s, formerly also braggard, from French bragard (16c.), with pejorative ending (see -ard) + braguer “to flaunt, brag,” perhaps originally “to show off clothes, especially breeches,” from brague “breeches” (see bracket (n.)). There may be an element of codpiece-flaunting in all this.

Also as an adjective, “vain, boastful” (1610s). The word in English has been at least influenced by brag (v.), even if, as some claim, it is unrelated to it. Bragger “arrogant or boastful person,” agent noun from brag (v.), is attested in English from late 14c. and has become practically a variant of this word.

So not likely, alas!

But in any case, apple cider vinegar prevents or cures uterine prolapse in cows, dental decay, acne, and every other condition you care to name. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

#74

No, do not live in NYC but do enjoy their tap water and would love to have an option other than my local groundwater so I am jealous of NYC water.

@PaulL it does have chlorine in it. I thought it did since I remember tasting it
https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/10-facts-you-may-not-know-about-new-york-citys-drinking-water/#:~:text=NYC’s%20water%20is%20treated%20with,make%20it%20safe%20to%20drink.

Thank you for the recommendations on the Distiller.

Curious about the taste. I can taste a huge difference among bottled water brands (I have passed blind taste tests when friends did not believe me). My two favorites are Poland Spring and Deer Park. I like some of the others as well but never liked Evian. Which does distilled taste most like?

I go to Florida periodically and do not like their local bottled water so will always drink tap when I am there. May get a filter to bring with me to eliminate the chlorine taste

(Edith) #75

As are most of the forum members. :rofl: