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(Geoffrey) #42

There’s plenty of carnivore/keto docs out there that consider that a falsehood in the sense that it’s not the calorie that matters but what the calorie is made of and how it is metabolized in the body.

(Geoffrey) #43

I don’t eat nuts but I agree with the meat part. I only supplement salt and magnesium (for bowel issues) but I’m able to get all I need from meat.

“supplement manufacturers started making minerals in more bioavailable forms.”

I personally believe that’s all due to the fact that the American agricultural community has destroyed the soil and people weren’t eating meat and so they couldn’t get their minerals by natural means.

It’s my understanding from experience that they recommend some over others because of the sources of some of the supplements and whether they can be absorbed by the body. For instance, I use magnesium citrate for the express reason that it isn’t absorbed by the body and is expelled.

Well that’s a totally new one on me. In all of my research I haven’t come across anyone stating that. I would love to see some documentation on that. If that is true then we all need to stop using our much beloved Redmond’s Real Salt and any mined pink salt because it all has minerals in them.

(Edith) #44

Could you provide some links for reading up on this information? I would like to know more.

(Bob M) #45

That’s definitely part of it. For instance, protein is harder to metabolize and “costs” the body more calories just to digest it.

Though I will admit that everything is just so complex. It’s hard to know what is what.

And I think there are people who can track calories and lose weight. And, for some people, tracking helps them. For those people, I have no problem if they believe that calories are very important and that tracking is beneficial.

#46

Tracking doesn’t matter much to me, it’s all about if I eat little or not. Many people experience that calories matter a lot and of course they do… It’s still very complex, obviously and there are many other factors. Especially for others. As far as I know from my tiny experience, only calories control my fat-loss noticeably, the same for my SO though he never could even try low-carb… The protein part doesn’t matter for us as it doesn’t change much so we don’t care if we could eat more calories in total and get the same fat-loss when eating 300g protein or something (but that would be unhealthy and costly too… and at least borderline impossible). But it’s us (and many others), other people have different experiences (or have no idea that they automatically eat little on keto) and I suppose that’s why they think everyone is like them.

#47

Here’s a simple one to read. You can also go to youtube and search for tap vs. distilled water.
https://budwigcenter.com/24-doctors-with-the-courage-to-tell-the-truth-about-distilled-water/

#48


Took me awhile to find this. The first several pages of a google search tell you how distilled water will kill you. Hyperbole but it’s ridiculous.

#49

While I do not think a water distiller is necessary if you get municipal water, I am curious. Can anyone recommend brands in the US? How long does it take and how much can you make at once? I go through about 2 gallons of water a day for people and dogs drinking

Is it better than reverse osmosis? I live in a place with ground water and there are higher rates of cancer in my area but people blame genetics and random reasons

Op if you are still around, dry red wine may not be a problem in limited quantities, potatoes, yes

(Geoffrey) #50

I appreciate you posting that but I have issues with the statement the first doctor made.
“ What we as scientists and the public have never realized is that minerals collected in the body from water are all inorganic minerals, which cannot be assimilated (digested) by the body. “

According to the anthropological studies cited by the carnivore doctors I follow they believe that early man got the majority of his minerals from the stream waters he drank and this would make sense if the majority of their diet was fatty animal meat.

“The only minerals that the body can utilize are the organic minerals (from fruits and vegetables). All other types of minerals are foreign substances to the body and must be disposed of or eliminated”

Well that flies in the face of everyone who says that we can get all of the minerals we need just from eating meat. I know that according to my blood test all of my levels are normal and all I’ve eaten for the last 426 days is meat.

(KM) #51

Mmmmm … What? You do realize NaCl, good old table salt, is an " inorganic mineral"?

(Edith) #52

“Distilled water has been evaporated into a vapor, split apart into a molecule of hydrogen and oxygen, turning them into a gas that rises up into the atmosphere, then cooled back down and condensed back in to water. The same process happens in a distillery when it distils water. It heats up the water into a gas, all the impurities are left behind, all the waste products are left behind, then it is condensed and turned back into pure water and becomes the ultimate pure water because of one very important factor that is not present in any other water…it is molecularly unstable. It means that when it goes in your bloodstream it breaks apart easier and latches on to debris, waste products and unwanted materials that are floating around in your bloodstream.”

I don’t know… This paragraph bothers me. First, when water evaporates and turns into water vapor, the molecules do not separate in hydrogen and oxygen. They stay water molecules. You need something called electrolysis to actually split the molecule. Also, if someone was using electrolysis to split the water molecules, why would they be less stable once they reformed back into water molecules. Maybe some chemists can comment on this?

"Yes, distilled water is acidic. "

This seems strange to me as well. Distilled water, which is water without any impurities should have a pH of 7.0, neutral. It should not be acidic.

It’s possible that the anecdotes are correct about mineral deposits in the body and distilled water helping remove them, but I feel like the article has some scientific fallacies which leaves me questioning the rest of the information.

You have peaked my interest though. I think I shall be doing some more research. :blush:

#53

This paragraph bothered me as well. I just ignored it. I will attempt to remember my Chemistry now. Organic minerals (those which have been created through a living organism) are generally nonpolar with strong covalent bonds. I’m going to be very humiliated if I’m getting this wrong. Water will not dissolve them. Inorganic like rocks. are very polar with ionic bonds which water can easily dissolve.
Minerals that are organic are easily used by the body whereas inorganic are not. That’s another discussion. So all those rocks floating around in your blood and tissues are unusable. If the body is forced to use water full of inorganic unusable rocks and does not have an abundance of polar water to grab these minerals they just settle where they want to like ears, arteries, eyes etc. But given this great solvent water that isn’t tied up with junk and has capacity to pull minerals and other junk out of the body, those minerals will not end up in your hip or knees.I’ve read most toxic things are polar but haven’t studied it. A bus that’s empty can carry more than a bus where most of the seats are taken.
I’m rambling but as far as I can figure it all makes sense.
Don’t toss good antecdotes out because of that one stinker. :grin:
I’m glad you’re willing to study the subject further. Many don’t.
Sorry I’ve forgotten how to select quotes to respond to in posts. I’ll figure it out when I have time.

(KM) #54

“The greatest damage done by inorganic minerals (hard)—plus waxy cholesterol and salt—is to the small arteries and other blood vessels of the brain (75% water). Hardening of the arteries and calcification of blood vessels starts on the day you start taking inorganic chemicals (and minerals from tap water) into our bodies".

Ok, I’ll be the one. These are some seriously “alternative facts”. For the whole of time, every living organism other than some extraordinarily pampered humans has been drinking water which is not distilled.

And we have about a hundred times over dispelled the myths about salt and cholesterol here.

Hard pass on this one.

Further down in the ad, when we stop quoting people like Alexander Graham Bell, ‘toxins’ are mentioned. This is an entirely different thing from an inorganic mineral. Yes, man-made toxins in the environment can be inorganic, and they can pose a serious cancer risk, and yes, distillation and osmosis help.

IMO, conflating minerals and chemical toxins is very poor science.

(Robin) #55

I’ll go ahead and jump in too. Of all the truly harmful things we could choose to worry about, water is not one.
Drink up. :v:

(Edith) #56

True, but we do have a “show me the science” philosophy on this forum.

#57

All of the famous health danger sites, such as Love Canal and the one in the Erin Brokovitch movie were a concern because of ground water contamination. The poison is not necessarily spread through the air but through the ground water

Actually since you are supposed to drink a lot of it every day, having water from contaminated sources, including from industrial pollution, ground water contamination from farming and lawn chemicals is always a concern.

While I am happy to drink NYC tap water, where I live it is ground water and we filter. The lawn and farming chemicals leach into the aquifer and many people are concerned about the quality of water. My area also has a higher than average rate of cancer and people for years have been questioning whether there is an association. Although it may simply be genetics of the population, aging population etc.

Having said that, I am not too concerned about what Alexander Graham Bell may have believed about water, distilled or otherwise.

In my area I do wonder whether a regular filter is sufficient, whether reverse osmosis or distilled would be better options. Thoughts? Recommendations?

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(Robin) #58

Excellent point, Edith. I really should refrain from chiming in where science and research is discussed. Not in my wheelhouse.
Seriously, thanks for the reminder.

#59

Ahh a New Yorker. :blush: New York water tastes good. My best friend lives there. I have heard that Floridians from New York actually have New York City water shipped to them to make their famous bagels. It may just be something to sell them to the New York folk. Still interesting.
Distilling is cheap, easy and gets all the yucky stuff out. That’s why I drink distilled water. I don’t worry about the mineral thing at all. I just wanna gag when I think of all the things in my tap water.( I’m in Iowa.) I only paid $70 for my gallon distiller. And it only costs about 30 cents a gallon in electricity. I just decided to get it and the whole issue of whether water is good or isn’t would be settled and I could move on, that concern eliminated. I drink tons of delicious water now but before was concerned about what yucky stuff was being deposited in my body.
Next: I’m getting rid of sugars and grains.
Thanks for quote info. It’s a pain doing anything on my phone. When I get on my computer it’ll be easier.
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#60

I have a vevor ymk40208 model. It cost me $70 last year. No problems at all. It makes a little under a gallon in 3.5 hours. I usually make two batches a day. it’s a great little machine to start with. It’s just me using the water. And my plants.There are larger capacity distillers available.

Reverse osmosis just seems more complicated and expensive. I like simple things. Heat the water. Cool the steam…then drips into a glass pitcher. Easy peasy. Gets rid of everything. There is a teabag sized filter in the spout that collects any of what are called volatile organic compounds that evaporated before the water but honestly I just rinse them with a bit of peroxide and water and reuse every couple dozen batches. . I have used the same two for months.
Tap water has tons of disgusting in it. The fluoride was one of my big concerns. Filters can’t get rid of it. Actually filters do very little. Fluotide messes with the thyroid taking the place of iodine which is bad.
Just do a search on what’s in tap water. Those few things that are tested for don’t scratch the surface. Hundreds of other things…I’ve heard even thousands are in tap water that aren’t removed or tested for.
So there ya go. Hope this helps

(Brian) #61

Most of my drinking water is RO and its source is a city water connection. Sometimes I’ll also use a ZeroWater filter.

While the city water is considered safe to drink, it is always borderline on some things, like the big long word that basically means the remnants of the dead stuff that the chlorine killed but hasn’t all been filtered out. Plus, there is enough of something, chlorine, bromine, not sure what, that it can be nearly nauseating just to smell. So, I filter.

Have not explored distillation. I’m sure there are plusses and minuses to every filtration method and I’m also sure that I’m not filtering out every possible thing that could be harmful. But I’m trying to do the best I can with what I’ve got to work with.