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#1

I wanted to say hello as I am new to the forum! I am currently losing weight while doing keto (not carnivore). I do OMAD mixed with 48-hour fasts in between. I wanted to find like-minded people that enjoy this lifestyle! So I hope you don’t mind me joining. Haha.

How is everyone today? :smile:


#2

Welcome! OMAD with longer fasts, that sounds effective… Most of us probably couldn’t even eat enough that way but it’s highly individual.
How often you have your 48 hour fasts? Do you know your macros for OMAD? What was your previous diet? I am happy if you answer any of these but it’s fine if you don’t. I am a curious one, you see and like to hear another people’s stories. Or experiments, those are nice too.


(Peter - Don't Fear the Fat ) #3

Hi there and welcome to the Forum.

Keto and Carni are amazing of course. Fasting too has benefits I believe. Sadly I’m a greedy pig and enjoy food too much, preferring 2MAD


#4

Hello! Thanks for welcoming me, Shinita!

I just finished my last 48-hour fast on the 19th and plan to do one every 2 weeks. It does help with weight loss and it’s not as scary as one may think! You lose your hunger as time progresses. Then you eat a plentiful meal and you’re good to go! :smiley:

For OMAD:

Protein: About 40 to 53g
Carbs: 20g or less
Sugars: 1g or less (unless something has a hidden sugar I didn’t spot!)
Fat: 33.5g to 38.2g

When I started on keto, this was much higher but I’ve gradually lowered it due to my appetite not being as big. My old eating habits were filled with processed foods and sugars and were low in nutrients. I’ve found that I do not need bullet coffees or keto bombs to complete long fasts or my OMAD. I take in electrolytes with water for either any dizziness I may experience or for any cravings and hunger. It is recommended to take in electrolytes for longer fasts. I’ve learned that my eyes are bigger than my stomach, haha. And I’d say my biggest hurdle was giving up my sugary coffee! :laughing:

Edited: I realized the half and half in my coffee may contain 1 gram of sugar in it!


#5

Hey, Pjam! Oh, I understand about 2MAD. It’s perfectly fine to love food, too! :laughing:

I went from 2MAD to OMAD after I kicked the sugar habit and lowered my carbs significantly, which was about 1 and a half weeks in. And oh man, those withdrawals were awful!


(Edith) #6

Welcome to the forum. I am glad you are having success so far, but I am going to weigh in with some concerns.

Looking at the macros you posted, you are only getting about 640 calories a day. If you take into account your 48 hour fast every few weeks, your average daily caloric intake is even less. Eating such a low amount of calories is going to bite you in the butt after a while. You really will slow down your metabolism. You may also end up with some vitamin and mineral deficiencies because 600 calories is not going to provide you will all the micronutrients your body needs.

You may want to look up some info by Dr. Jason Fung and Meagan Ramos. They both promote fasting but mixing it up to keep the body guessing. That will keep your metabolism more ramped up. Also, if you are going to stick with OMAD, you are really going to need to eat more at that one meal.

Good luck!


(Marianne) #7

Hello and welcome. How long have you been doing keto/low carb?


#8

What you are doing is starving yourself.Are you lossing fat or muscle? Omad and 48-hour fasts guarantee that you cannot possibly meet your protein requirements. Therefore, although you may be losing weight, you are also losing lean muscle mass. The weight loss will stop once your metabolism downregulates to meet the energy provided, and then what will you do? You are setting yourself up for a host of problems down the road. This would include hormonal disfunctions of leptin and ghrelin and probably a host of other disfunctions. Not something you want to do. Furthermore, you will experience the rebound effect. Uncontrollable eating and weight gain plus some extra weight for insurance and you will not have any control over it.
Did you not lose weight when doing keto? You do not need to do OMAD or fast when doing keto. Why OMAD? Why the 48-hour fasts? There were times that humans did not have a lot of food—famine—but there were times that they feasted as well.
I would highly recommend Dr. Jason Fung. He is a Canadian nephrologist and has written a number of best-selling books on fasting, obesity, and diabetes, plus he has many YouTube videos. Megan Ramos is also a great source for women and fasting.


(KM) #9

Welcome!

I will start by saying that I utilized a similar strategy of extended fasts to “stair step” down in weight. It does work and the weight loss can be maintained, if my experience is anything to go by, I’ve been at maintenance weight for about 2 years now and rarely fast any more. But it’s important to re-feed. The fasting body begins to break down old damaged proteins and other less-optimal, less-necessary tissues, as well as burning its fat stores (this is called autophagy). It then needs to rebuild what it used up (ideally without re-filling the fat stores). I’m in agreement with others, you need to provide your dear body with some high quality nutrition in adequate quantities when it’s in “repair mode” if you’re going to use fasting as a weight loss strategy.

I hope you find community and good information here, and again, welcome to the forums.


#10

Can You Please Explain What is OMAD… i Haven’t Any Idea…


(Edith) #11

OMAD = One Meal A Day
TMAD = 2 Meals a Day


#12

Thank you for your concerns and great information so far! I’ll look into Dr. Jason Fung and Meagan Ramos. I have a video of Dr. Jason Fung right now on my tab. I will try to make sure to eat enough, though my main problem is that I lack hunger. I am not trying to starve myself, sorry if it came off that way. When I make my meal for the day I will add more to the macros.

Also, I started keto on July 5th.


(Bob M) #13

If you still want a sugary coffee, try allulose in your coffee. There’s some evidence that allulose helps with insulin sensitivity.


#14

I’ll try to find some allulose then. I’ve just been using a packet of stevia in my coffee.


(Alec) #15

Can I please ask what your main goals are here? Fat loss? How much do you have to lose? Recommendations and advice are likely to be different if you need to lose 150lbs vs 15lbs.

If you are trying to lose and maintain fat loss, my experience is that fasts are OK, but not ultimately sustainable. But carnivore works better and IS sustainable. And is surprisingly easy and enjoyable to do. I have done 20 different diets in my life, and they all worked until they didn’t. Carnivore is the first one that has worked for the long term (nearly 100lbs down for nearly 3 years and counting…)


#16

I’ve never thought of doing carnivore before, but yes I am trying to lose a lot of weight. I just made my meal just now. Salmon baked in olive oil in the oven, broccoli with seasoning with cheese on top, garlic mashed cauliflower, chorizo, and some mozzarella (not shredded) cheese on the side. I also had some coffee with a splash of unsweetened almond milk. I’m trying to add more macros/calories like everyone said I should do.

Carnivore sounds difficult, but I have heard of great results from it. I’ve heard stories of people who weighed over 500 pounds dropping about 300 of it from the diet. :smile: Which is incredible!

But yes, for now, I am trying to do IF with Keto. I’ve currently lost 15 pounds since starting. I’m not positive if that’s too little/slow or good enough. I did hear that about 10 pounds of weight loss is water weight.


#17

Your relationship with food must be wildly different from mine… Waiting until hunger arrives is something I always had a problem with… But I do get hungry every day in the last years. It’s not so much scary to me, more like plain impossible. But I hope I get back my fasting abilities at some point…

Ouch, your OMAD is super tiny. It’s not even low-key starvation, I must say… It seems OMAD isn’t for you - but I can understand it’s your decision and I don’t say it won’t work as it’s possible it will, it just sounds scary that can go wrong easily, one way or another.
(Your OMAD is a few bites if I translate it to my normal food… But that’s another thing, of course it can be done with big volume, still very low nutritionally.)

At this point, I would advice to eat when you get hungry or crave something. You can eat twice as much and it’s still quite low-cal so fat-loss shouldn’t be a problem.

It doesn’t. Just for people who can’t eat enough in one sitting. But in this case… Yep, the average protein intake per day is worryingly low (and the energy intake, nutrients in general too).

With this little food? Hardly. Not just subtly starving people don’t stuck in some overweight state, there is a limit and in this case, the food has extremely little energy compared to a needs of almost all adult human bodies. Some people can survive on surprisingly little food but this little? I seriously doubt it.
It’s still a bad idea and some problems will arise but quite probably not that one.

That’s right. Some fasting, lots of OMAD? That’s fine (maybe not these OMAD days for longer term though) but we need some higher-cal days eventually and not in the distant future. IDK how much fat-loss is needed in this very case, sometimes a big deficit works all the way for someone, it may be tricky, it may need the right person to be able to maintain afterwards but a long time of undereating is much more damaging than a short one as far as I know and it makes sense.
An occasional higher-cal day sounds good to me, more nutrients, better for our sanity (for us who aren’t completely happy with less food each and every day, at least) and maybe the body realizes there is no famine… So it can’t just decide it must do its best to use as little energy as possible.

When the mentioned cravings and hunger arrives, eat then? Or just eat without hunger. I understand it is not always easy but some items are easier to eat than others. Even in my super rare “I really can’t eat” times, I ridiculously easily could drink 500 kcal or something. But soft food is easy too (for me and I suppose for many others as well). It helps if it’s something we normally love… It’s very special case when someone is physically unable to try even a few bites outside of their tiny OMAD meal.
Mentally it can be trickier sometimes.

Do you like cream? It adds fat calories easily and some of us need to hold ourselves back a bit… :slight_smile:

It’s individual. It was always 4lbs for me but it happened in the first 1-2 days so it would have been easy to see what is real fat-loss if I ever could lose a noticeable fat on keto (I can’t eat less than high protein and I exercise enough for my little muscles so muscle loss isn’t my concern). But I have heard way bigger numbers and it can be spread a bit. Still, I don’t think if you lose after the first week, it can be much water weight… :thinking: And you will see if your figure improves anyway.
So keto is new to you and you already can add these extra restrictions? Wow. I was content with just doing keto without feeling miserable! Most of us usually start with that (if fat-loss happens, great but main thing we get used to it, it’s already a challenge. even for me and I only halved my net carb intake!) but of course, some people find it easy enough to add lots of fasting.

Good luck! It’s good you try to eat somewhat more :slight_smile:


#18

Yeah, I only eat when I feel hungry. But I’m sorry for the low macros/calories as I thought I was eating enough based on the plate being pretty full. For fasting, I’ve always naturally eaten once a day (but in large quantities) even with bad eating habits. It also made the transition to OMAD easier I think. I’ll do my best to get enough nutrients, macros, and calories. I’ve tried to look up how much protein I need, and yeah I am way under, so I’ll bulk it up. Today I had about 70-77g of protein. And I had about 62g of fat today.

And yeah, I’ve added cream to my coffee before too! Heavy cream. I have some right now in my fridge so I could add that instead of almond milk. :slight_smile:

And thanks for the good luck! I’m still trying to figure things out. My lack of knowledge comes from years of bad eating habits. So, I’m sorry for worrying everyone!

Edit: I’m watching Dr. Jason Fung’s videos now. Thanks for the recommendation. And I had some nuts too. :smile:


(Robin) #19

Your meal sounds fine, but you need three of those, not one.
The more extreme you make this, the more likely your body will be to prepare for starvation.

You should be able to eat MORE with keto, not less. You don’t have to eat less often, especially in the beginning.

Trust the process, eat up (hungry or not), and be patient.
If you are like many of us who spent years yo-yo dieting, gaining, starving, losing, gaining even more… you need to convince your body that you will feed it, fuel it, and remain steady, stable, and safe.
Slower loss is better in many cases. Slow weight loss is maintainable.

Trust me.
Don’t make me pull out my fat photo! :grin:


#20

Welcome PrismBunny! Your salmon meal sounds delicious. Good on you for kicking the sugar habit too, that’s a tough one.

I too have made the swap from almond milk to cream. I found that it was annoyingly difficult to find an almond milk without added oils, colourings, fillers, sweeteners etc- I’m not especially precious about not eating those things, but it did make me wonder what exactly I was (over)paying for, as the actual almond content was generally minuscule!

Happy experimenting, and keep us posted on your progress. Good luck!