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#21

Thanks :blush:

#22

Sorry for not responding yet! Thanks for the good luck and everything! Iā€™m still experimenting and doing well in my lifestyle! Iā€™m enjoying what I cook and eat, and Iā€™ve been watching videos and learning. And I will make sure this is sustainable and remember that slow weight loss is still progress. :slightly_smiling_face:

#23

This can happen on Keto. The hunger hormone, Ghrelin becomes disfunctional. It is made in your stomach and signals your brain when you are hungry.

How?

I realize that. However, your actions say otherwise. For example, if you currently weigh 200 lbs (91 kg), you are not even eating the RDA for protein. You are essentially wasting away. You want to lose fat, not muscle. Be very careful as the body does not like being in starvation mode all of the time. (Feast/famine)

#24

Alright! Iā€™ve bulked up my protein (around 136g or so), my eating window is extended, and I eat more calories per meal. Iā€™m doing better! Still losing too. :smiley:

#25

Great! :slight_smile: How much fat do you eat now if I may ask?

#26

I tried to google each itemā€™s fat and it seems one of my meals was around 125g of fat. Is that too much?

Edit: I forgot to calculate some things from the meal. Sorry!

#27

Wow, you made some huge changes then!

125g fat is much for some and not for others, itā€™s very individual. Itā€™s normal for me (even though I would love to eat much more. I keep myself back as much as I comfortably can) but I aim to eat less as my energy need isnā€™t high. But I never would go below it all the time, I need my higher-cal days, nothing wrong with those.

If you still get results and feel fine, itā€™s not too much :slight_smile:

(Mark Rhodes) #28

BTW, Happy Birthday

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #29

If you are eating past satiety, then yes, it is too much. If, however, you are eating until your hunger is satisfied and then stopping, then itā€™s fine. That amount of fat is calorically equivalent to 281.25 g of carbohydrate, and no one would tell you that 281 g of carbohydrate is excessive, now would they?

(Robin) #30

Thanks, Mark.
Having just had the surgery, I woke up to being 70 and having bruises everywhere and moving like a fragile slug.

Yepā€¦ this looks like 70.
Iā€™ll take it. In fact, bring it on!

#31

@robintemplin: I see your humor is the same and that is very important! :rofl: Sometimes I donā€™t get how grumpy, bitter, hateful people live so long sometimes. I would think a positive outlook and/or good humor would help moreā€¦ Itā€™s way nicer to the people around as wellā€¦

#32

Happy Birthday! :heart: :smile:

#33

True! Thanks for telling me this, PaulL!

And Shinita, yes! I am still getting results. :smile: Which is amazing.

I should also mention I ate my last few meals without any vegetables (which makes me a bit nervous because I worry about high cholesterol) and my digestive tract is clearing up with any pain or issues! I used to have extreme pain on my left side due to my condition every time I ate and now I am pain-free with everything being regular. Itā€™s incredible! Iā€™ve had pain since I was 12 years old after I had my gallbladder removed, a daily occurrence.

I just thought Iā€™d let you guys know. And if I go full carnivore, Iā€™ll tell you guys! So far I am just nervous about cholesterol but I see benefits so far.

#34

You need to do your own research but I wonder if you are eating too little or not. Note I am not an expert but from reading Fung and others in the past, one point is how much you objectively need to lose. I say objectively because plenty of people need to lose 40 lbs to be model thin but only need to lose 15 to be average. If you only need to lose 15 to be average, you probably are eating too little.

If you need to lose 50 or 100 lbs to be average and are strictly keto, including being fat adapted (where your body is able to access the stored fat, usually in conjunction with lower insulin levels) then in theory (again not an expert) getting energy can be done by your body supplementing from body fat in addition to what you are eating.


This is a quick explanation. Having said that, it may take more than three weeks to become fat adapted. However, if you are fat adapted with a lot of weight to lose, you theoretically have a large source of calories from body fat, although essential fatty acids and essential amino acids are called that for a reason so I would definitely get some fat and protein.

Having said that, my experience is that I did regain. I started fasting and keto in 2017. By December, right before a big event for me, I was down about 50 lbs or so (still had another 40-50 to lose to be average). Over the next years, I was able to maintain the weight for a while but eventually it started creeping up no matter what I did. Plus I found that I did not enjoy fasting in the same way as before. During Covid I regained something like 40 lbs.

I eventually lost, about 15 lbs, through low carb not really keto and fasting but it was slow. Then a year ago I stopped eating past 5-6 PM. I lost another 25 lbs or so over the last year and am back to the stall point from Fall 2017. I still fast maybe once a month for 40 hours but it is usually unplanned and accident, where I forgot to eat during the window and figure why bother. I will say that even though I am back to my stall point from 2017, I do not look the same. Aside from being older, I think I did lose some muscle and did not regain it. I play tennis about 3X a week but do not do much other exercise. Note, the tennis is new, over the last two years. I did not exercise much in 2017 as far as I can recall.

I guess I am really saying it is individual, depends on whether you are fat adapted, your insulin levels and how much excess weight you have to lose

#35

Why, does vegs have anything to do with that? I am healthy and never for a second worried about cholesterol in my life so I didnā€™t research the topicā€¦ I just know cholesterol is vital but we can make it if we donā€™t eat it. And for a healthy one in this regard, eaten cholesterol has about zero impact on cholesterol levels. I donā€™t know what happens when one has some cholesterol problem.

Skipping the vegs sounds challenging due to other things: higher fat intake per weight (I got nausea on carnivore first when I tried to kept my fat percentage. I had to drop it for some days), just missing the juicy, crunchy, delicious vegsā€¦ Some people couldnā€™t do it. Itā€™s still weird I can (I donā€™t always do but I can), I loved my vegs.
If you can do it and you feel better, thatā€™s great!

(Edith) #36

I learned almost 30 years ago that health problems can be caused by the supposedly healthy things we put into our bodies. We are told from the time we are children that certain foods are necessary for good health, but for some of us those foods actually contribute to or even cause our health problems. I think thatā€™s why it can be so hard for people to wrap their heads around food causing illness. Weā€™ve been brainwashed since childhood that we ā€œhaveā€ to eat certain foods to be healthy. I mean who in their right minds would think, ā€œItā€™s the vegetables making me sick,ā€ or ā€œItā€™s the dairy making me sick,ā€ or ā€œItā€™s the whole grains making me sick?ā€ :crazy_face:

Iā€™m glad you are finding some answers to your health challenges.

#37

Dairy and grains may easily come to mind as there are tons of people sensitive to thoseā€¦ But vegs as health problem, thatā€™s tough indeed (except maybe the ones from the nightshade family?). Or fruits! Everyone and their mother praises vegs and fruits - except I always find some carnivore in YT comments nowadays if the video has anything to do with food so there are changesā€¦ Even if I just look at the weather forecast, I always see we should eat plenty of vegs and fruits to handle the hot weather and the cold one too, our immune system NEEDS thoseā€¦ Nope, mine donā€™t :rage: I try to mostly avoid them for reasons - and other people may and do force themselves to eat them. Unfair. Vegs and especially fruits are super delicious and often irresistible to me (since carnivore, itā€™s almost only the fruits). Itā€™s difficult sometimes.
But I am glad I donā€™t force bad things on myself while feeling good I did my dutyā€¦ I like to have a better relationship with my own body, our communication got pretty well. I know what it wants and when it wants.

Oh and even with knowledge and not really noticeable brainwashing, itā€™s hard to look at vegs and fruits and see them bad. I just canā€™t do it completely, they are so LOVELYā€¦ I know the carbs arenā€™t good for me (I am fine with the other aspects as far as I know) so I am torn thereā€¦ I donā€™t care much what people talk about them (surely it has some impact, even I canā€™t be immune to hearing things for decades from every directionā€¦ but itā€™s not strong enough to overpower my knowledge and experience let alone my tastes. thankfully I am not interested in most vegs anymore) but they look cute and inviting. And I happily grow them in my garden. Most of us surely have nostalgic feelings tied to them as well.

(KM) #38

There is also, for some of us, the ā€¦ dogmatic duty to eat our vegetables. I was brought up on the idea that I was GOOD if I ate what was put on my plate (including all the green stuff), and SPOILED and generally not loved if I ate only what I liked. I grew up being told it was mature and responsible and the proper thing to do, in fact Iā€™d say the underlying message was that the less I liked it but tolerated it anyway, the better I was. The Abusive Power Face Of Brussel Sprouts. :nauseated_face:

To this day, itā€™s hard for me to say itā€™s not irresponsible or bad or spoiled to eat what I please, even if I have scientific evidence itā€™s also whatā€™s healthy for me.

#39

I do not feel obligated to eat what I hate but I do feel obligated to clean my plate and I am a generous server. I even feel bad wasting half a tissue (so not only food). Comes from childhood and the clean plate club!! I tried never to emphasize food when my kids were little, good or bad.

Brussel sprouts is the comeback food for me. Hated the smell and could not imagine eating when I was a kid and no one cooked them anyway. My SIL served them to us a decade ago roasted and I have been a fan ever since

I do not like meat enough to do carnivore, but otherwise would think about it

(Mark Rhodes) #40

Spite.

I figure its spite