I’m thinking of going back to basics and not doing fasting right now.
I live in the land of the midnight sun and because of all the crazy schedules, I cant get a good sleep schedule in right now.
Its crazy around here.
I am still having lingering hunger pangs and can’t quite figure out why.
it doesn’t happen when I eat beef or tuna salad. Eggs aren’t working for me lately.
and apple cider vinegar is making my stomach burnt like crazy.
any advice would be much appreciated.
Don’t know exactly what are your goals, but, whatever they are, you are doing the right thing priorizing your sleep. Maybe try googling Matt Walker about sleep. All the best.
If you are still hungry then I think you aren’t eating enough fat. Good fat. Add butter to your coffee. Add olive oil to everything, (One doctor once said…”think of every meal as an excuse to put olive oil in your mouth”)
Look up fat bombs. End the last meal of the day with a fat bomb or two. My favorite is chopped salmon bits, basil, cream cheese.
When you have enough good fat, you can easily go 16-18 hours or more without feeling hungry.
I found the apple cider vinegar gave me heart burn, and a sore throat, and the taste stayed in my mouth all day, so I buy the capsules instead now and take them.
If you are still hungry, make sure you are getting enough proteans and fats. I also love fat bombs, as Katie has mentioned in the previous reply; although I like the sweet ones, there are a lot of different recipes here on the forum for different ones.
I like to eat them after a meal as a desert treat.
I hope that you can figure out what works for you and if you have any questions for the members here, ask and I am sure you will get some great replies that will help. Take care.
Definitely stop with the ACV, it’s supposed to help you not give you gut pain.
You’ve been at this for a while now Brenna, you should be listening to your body. Fasting is optional so if it isn’t working, don’t do it. I’m not sure what you mean by fasting. EF or IF? I think it’s best to keep mixing the routine. Fast, eat regular for a couple of days, eat when you’re hungry, don’t when you’re not.
How many meals are you eating? It’s probably okay to do TMAD if you were eating less often than that. But I think you have a good idea of what you need to do.
No particular food is absolutely necessary on KETO, so eat Beef and Tuna if that’s what you’re craving to satisfy your appetite. I believe when we are eating healthy choices our cravings for particular foods is our body telling us what it needs Follow that as long as it isn’t telling you to eat something like potato chips. 
…you got this. 
I’m revitalizing this thread because I recently listened to an interview with Dr. Eric Westman about his clinic, helping people lose weight, what works, etc.
It made me realize that maybe for some of us, over time, we do end up straying from what works from a weight loss perspective and that we need to get back to basics. Dr. Westman seems to follow more of an Atkins approach where the ketogenic diet is concerned.
Towards the end of the interview he discusses why fasting blood sugar may creep up a bit, but as long as insulin is low, he doesn’t think it is a problem. Bob (@ctviggen) you may find this particularly interesting.
Thanks, Edith. I’ve never heard of that podcast, but I’ll listen to this.
In fact, I was just thinking of using apple cider vinegar at night to lower my morning blood sugar, but it’s been “high” in the morning for years. But then it goes down all day, like this:
Now, that was a day where I was going to fast multiple days, but my blood sugar went too low the first day (which is what this is). I took a pin-prick test and got 74, so my CGM wasn’t too far off.
But that “high in the morning, then goes down all day” is what’s been happening for years. Would lowering my blood sugar in the morning help or hurt? I’m not sure.
Edit, the bump at before 8pm is when I decided to eat dinner. No idea what that bump is near 10pm. I think it’s an artifact of Jardiance, which I’m on due to an error in signaling in my heart. It seems to delay highs sometimes, and also cause lows (you urinate out glucose). Unfortunately, other than it causes one to urinate out glucose, I can find NOTHING telling me what that means. But I think the strange ups and downs, particularly at night, are caused by it. I can’t prove it though.
That was a very good conversation. It always amazes me as to how complex the body is. Some people can eat higher carb with no issues, whereas others eat keto/carnivore and GAIN weight according to him (Where gain is relative, meaning that some people eat “too much” on very low carb. He still advocates eating low carb) They discussed the biome, which is good, because keto/carnivore affects that, probably dramatically, but the vast majority of data on a “good” biome is based on high carb eaters.
Will start a separate thread about insulin.
Going back to basics sounds like a smart move, especially if sleep and routine are currently inconsistent. When sleep is disrupted- as it often is with extreme light/dark cycles or irregular schedules. It can significantly affect hunger hormones, appetite regulation, and how satisfied you feel after meals.
From a practical standpoint, it makes sense that you’re noticing different responses to foods like eggs versus beef or tuna salad. Satiety can vary quite a bit depending on protein type, fat content, and overall meal composition, so it may just be a matter of finding what keeps you most satisfied right now.
Since apple cider vinegar is causing discomfort, I’d personally avoid it for the time being rather than pushing through it.
At the moment, I’d prioritize regular meal timing, sufficient protein at each meal, and stable sleep as much as possible. Once those are more consistent, it becomes much easier to evaluate what’s actually driving hunger versus what’s being influenced by recovery and stress.