Gained weight 2 days in a row


(Vladaar Malane) #21

Good question Samantha. Intermittent Fasting, is suggested by Dr. Fung, but if your wanting to get away from fasting all together…

It’s tough to do, might be able too, but no idea how. Other than some things he suggested such as Apple Cider Vinegar, Fiber, Virgin Olive Oil, Green Tea. I am sure some can, but what works maybe based on the individual. That might be a good question for @Carl and @richard


(Dan Dan) #22

The Body Weighs more fully Hydrated and with a full stomach (Which also retains water) :thinking:

The key is to know how to Weigh and what it means :thinking:

Weighing in a fasted State on a empty stomach gives you your Fasted Weight :open_mouth:

Weighing fully Hydrated and with a full stomach gives you your Full Weight :hushed:

One will be higher than the other and can be misunderstood as weight gain :scream:

I weigh the same time and same condition so I have a consistent reference and Weightloss :thinking:


(Dan Dan) #23

I OMAD and EF 48hrs a couple days a week so I have a consistent reference so I can weigh daily If you don’t then weighing daily can be misunderstood as weight gain.


(Vladaar Malane) #24

Or it could be insulin resistance. @Dan_Dan


(Dan Dan) #25

I’m only talking about the difference between being fully hydrated and full stomach vs being fasted and weighing you can’t compare the two unless you have a consistent reference weighing daily can be misunderstood as weight gain.


#26

OMAD has a decent track record for slowing metabolisms, but in any case your not in a stall, a stall / plateau is typically considered a month without loss.


#27

I am not assuming fasting hours are created equal. It can take a couple of days for glycogen stores to be exhausted, and BG to fall, especially for folks with IR. Long extended fasts are powerful and efficient at decreasing insulin and body weight. But fasts (EF and IF) still need to be done frequently enough to move the needle.

Since I can’t measure insulin, I use BG add a proxy. During a multi day fast, my BG drops by 10-15 points per day until it bottoms out at 60-70. If I resume eating a LC diet, my BG will raise over the course of several days, into the low 100s and stay there until I resume fasting.

Let’s say I do one week fast, my BG is
day 1- 105
day 2- 90
day 3- 75
day 4, 5, 6, 7- 60
Then I resume eating a LC diet for the remainder of the month, my BG is
day 8- 75
day 9- 90
day 10 thru 30- 105
This creates an average BG for the month of 96.

Now suppose instead, I fast for 4 days and then do alternate day fasting thereafter indefinitely. When my BG drops to 60 the 4th day, the next day I eat and it rises to 75, I fast the following day and it drops to 60, I eat the next day it rises to 75 and so on. This creates an average BG of 68.

This is a simplified explanation, neither my body nor my diet is as consistent as presented. But it is nevertheless an approximation that is roughly true for me.


(Dan Dan) #28

Please show The Science :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Dr Jason Fung disagrees :open_mouth:

Therapeutic Fasting - Dr Jason Fung


#29

He’s said that himself many times as has Meghan back on the original fasting talk. Haven’t watched that video but will when I get back from work. For OMAD many wind up with a pretty sizable caloric deficit which we know does it if you keep it up. I think we’re all pretty aware too much caloric deficit over time slows a BMR down.


(Dan Dan) #30

I consume an average of 2500 kcals a meal so I’m good and I never recommend caloric restriction :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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(Ethan) #31

Maybe it was just how I read it, but your other post seems to suggest that all fasting hours are equal:

The reason fasting works is because without food as a stimulus, insulin levels drop, creating favorable conditions for lipolysis and cellular healing. Within physiological constraints, the more time spent in this state the better.
Fasting for 7 days each month is 168 fasted hours out of a total of 720 hours in a month. An IF regime of 18/6 is 540 hours total hours fasted per month. Alternate day fasting can result in more than 600 fasted hours. OMAD is 690 fasted hours.

In that post, you said that OMAD, alternate-day fasting, and 18/6 IF are more fasting hours and implied that it thus work better. I was simply disagreeing that these fasts necessarily work better because they have more fasted hours, since many of us won’t actually get the low-enough insulin levels with each method. A very long EF can lower insulin for us for the longhaul.


(Vladaar Malane) #32

On day 5 of water fast today, weighed in at 178.6 pounds. Feel great, I got more sleep today as I took a melatonin at night. Yesterday I was dreadfully tired cause I couldn’t sleep I think I watched too much ZNation season 4 that came out on netflix right before bed.


(Vladaar Malane) #33

Day 6 of water fast, weighed in at 176.4 pounds. Not hungry, but looking forward to end of fast. I think my family and friends purposely ate all my favorite meals while I fasted. LoL. So, I started at 188… 188-176.4 = 11.6. Now if the theory on water weight gain after fast is correct I should gain half that weight back. I figure I will lose another pound tomorrow, so I’ll probably gain 6 back. so If I am 175 tomorrow and gain 6 back from water weight I should be approximately 181 pounds after.

I noticed that being at 176, I still got fat in the belly and some fat on my lower back. It’s driving me crazy. I would guess I may need to get down to 160 pounds to lose this fat. I don’t like being that light, but don’t like the fat more.


#34

I agree a very long (> 2 weeks) EF is effective treatment for metabolic disorders. If you’re familiar with my story, you know that I’ve been doing roughly OMAW (aka back to back fasts) for almost 6 months. I’ve dropped my A1c from 5.8 to 4.8 and seen improvement in my postprandial BG.

Nary a day passes that someone on this forum doesn’t post about regaining the weight lost during an short (< 1 week) EF. I was putting forth an explanation for why that might be occurring and a solution to that problem.

Of course, I could be completely wrong…


(Vladaar Malane) #35

Woooh… Successfully completed 7 day water fast. Ending weight today was 174.6 but I’m sure I’ll be back to 180 just from water weight soon.

I broke my fast with 2 of the farm eggs fried that I bought yesterday, and some bacon slices.


(Samantha J Ross) #36

I thought I was stuck and wasn’t losing anymore weight but I just KCKO and I lost 3 pounds in a couple days. I cut back on fats from cheese/dairy in my diet and tried to fill up on vegetables that I would cook in olive oil. I actually cut back on fat in general, which sounds counterintuitive on this diet. But the past couple of days I haven’t been that hungry. I have to make myself eat because I don’t want to ruin my metabolism. Also my stomach doesn’t feel as crummy.


(Vladaar Malane) #37

Congrats! @Samantha_J_Ross I gained some back from eating yesterday. I’m at 176.4 this morning. I hope to stay under 180 pounds.


(Samantha J Ross) #38

Hopefully you will! I have decided to stop weighing myself after I eat or drink because it can be so discouraging! I weighed myself after eating yesterday and gained 3 pounds. This morning I’m back under.


(Suzanne Leigh) #39

Smart move not wanting to ruin your metabolism.

I’m still unsure what triggers metabolic down-regulation. Consensus is that long-term calorie restriction can do it, yet if we’re fat-adapted, eating less calories than we need each day feels natural. Our fat stores should make up that caloric difference and our BMR should keep humming along. And yet…I don’t think that always happens. My BMR is well below expectations after 2+ years of LCHF and keto.

When you say your stomach feels less crummy do you mean it feels crummy when you don’t eat enough? Or when you eat too much fat?


#40

I gained 5 pounds over the weekend. Although I ate keto foods, I ate way too much and drank some tequila in the evenings Fri-Sun. It was a little discouraging to see how much I gained after an irresponsible weekend, but I suppose it’s not a huge setback. Trying to do better today. :slight_smile: