Gained weight 2 days in a row

(Vladaar Malane) #1

Good Morning,

Monday - Friday I do One meal a day fast. Weekends I eat with my family, keto but typically 2 to 3 meals. Last 2 days on weekend I gained 2 pounds a day for total of 4 pounds.

I was listening to a keto podcast and heard one mention he thinks he met his insulin restistance point. I think that is where Im at my body is desperately trying to keep me at 190 pounds even though during week I get down to 185 pounds. This is second week in row this has happened. IF isnt helping with this resistance I am thinking an extended fast is neccessary so my insulin resistance is reduced. I just dont think its a normal keto stall.

(Penelope) #2

I’m in a similar stall. At 30 days today. Still, I’m losing inches - I check, believe me! - I feel great and my glucoses continue to improve. I have decided to have faith in the process, although, yes, when I weigh, I am always disappointed I haven’t pushed past yet. We’re human!

#3

I wouldn’t call gaining 4 lbs over 2 days a stall. It may be an inconsequential blip. But if you don’t want to KCKO, fasting will reverse it.

Unless it’s a very prolonged extended fast, insulin resistance won’t decrease over the short term. An EF will increase lipolysis and decrease basal insulin levels. This will certainly result in weight loss and break through any plateau, it just requires determining the effective dosage.

(Vladaar Malane) #4

Yes at least 3 days, I think Dr.Fung says. I want to see how long I can go but have anti-fasting wife. So Ill try for 7 but need at least 3. Depends how much wife aggro I get about damaging myself. Which is really crazy because this is helping my health.

#5

Sorry if this is TMI but when I was weighing myself everyday, sometimes the number would spike up 1-2 pounds from previous day, and I eventually figured out it was related to my bowel movements. I seem to take a long time to digest my food, and sometimes can go up to 3 days without a bowel movement. Also when I was getting some bad “keto flu” symptoms, I read that one thing I should try is to up my sodium intake, so I did, by quite a bit, and that upped my weight a little on the scale for 3 days, as well.

I am currently in what seems like a minor stall, as well. Not sure about the idea of fasting, since multiple sources I have read suggested that dropping my calorie intake when I already have very low appetite, could work against me in the long run? But some sources also seem to suggest that a fat fast could help. Thinking maybe butter and black coffee for 3 days or something similar.

(Vladaar Malane) #6

Started day 3 of my water fast today. Wife gave me bunch of flack at first, but when I got through that she is okay with it. Going to try for 7 days. If it isn’t insulin resistance, this should show me when I start eating again if it is, I’ll be happy in the 170’s. The only other thing it could be is possibly I eat too much protein which I’ll try to cut back on too.

#7

It’s not a stall if you’re losing inches. Losing inches + weight stable = losing fat and gaining lean mass. That’s excellent.

(Penelope) #8

Yes. I was referring specifically to the weight (stalling), but I do understand what you are saying. I am pleased and very grateful for any positive changes in my metabolism, etc!

#9

Yes, I know what you meant - but if you’re interested in weight loss because it represents fat loss, then it’s not a stall. You can’t get smaller unless you’re losing fat, so congrats on your fat loss!

#10

Low calorie and no calorie are not the same.

Under low calorie conditions, the body will decrease its energy consumption to match the available fuel, especially if lipolysis is inhibited due to high insulin levels.

Under no calorie conditions, the body undergoes physiological changes designed to keep us alive. It revs up metabolism and draws on stored energy (fat).

Krista Varady, a researcher at the University of Illinois, has conducted extensive human trials using alternate day fasting. RMR is one of the variables tracked. The case is laid out in her book, The Every Other Day Diet.

(Vladaar Malane) #11

Started day 4 water fast. No problems, except was light headed when stood up to fast to chase cat out of bedroom last night. LoL, but taking multi vitamin and will try to slip some salt in my water today too. No huger at all, even made dinner for rest of family.

(Ethan) #12

For the past 2 months, I go down to 210 during my 5-day fasts. Then I gain back to 220 during the eating times…

(Vladaar Malane) #13

Yeah, I was experiencing simular results with intermittent fasting though. I’ll know soon enough if it was insulin resistance and not my diet that was the problem. I’m weighing in at 180 right now hopefully will get in the 170’s by Sunday as long as I can stay on fast.

If I start to gain again when I go back to my normal keto OMAD routine, then I would think it’s what I’m eating as in too much protein maybe vs. insulin resistance. I have to agree with the keto dudes in that we make our own best test studies to figure out what works. By that I mean trying things that are educated or evidence based techniques not random things.

(Ethan) #14

I eat a wide variety of items. It’s pretty hard though for me to up the fat. I am trying my best though.

(Vladaar Malane) #15

Me too, old school protein fan maybe from the time I did the atkins thing. LoL. I have to really try not to eat too much protein.

(Ethan) #16

It’s more than that. Other than oils and HWC, it’s hard to find sources mostly fat.

#17

The more I read about people’s experiences with short duration EF, the more I’m convinced its not the best tool for weight loss. During a 2-5 day fast, less than 10 lbs is likely to be lost, and most of it will be water that is regained upon resuming eating. On the next fast, the weight that’s gained has to be lost again. At best, the trend is a downward jigsaw. At worst, it’s a pattern of (frustrating) stagnation.

The reason fasting works is because without food as a stimulus, insulin levels drop, creating favorable conditions for lipolysis and cellular healing. Within physiological constraints, the more time spent in this state the better.

Fasting for 7 days each month is 168 fasted hours out of a total of 720 hours in a month. An IF regime of 18/6 is 540 hours total hours fasted per month. Alternate day fasting can result in more than 600 fasted hours. OMAD is 690 fasted hours.

We have to experiment to determine what works for us individually. I think one way of decreasing frustration is to match fasting hours and eating hours to the desired rate of weight loss.

(Ethan) #18

@4dml, I think you incorrectly assume that all fasted hours are equal–they are not. For example, after 14 hours of fasting, my plasma insulin was measured at 12.6. However, after 96 hours of fasting, my plasma insulin was measured at 7.4 If I only did 18/6 IF, I would never get those low insulin levels. Sometimes it takes much longer for insulin levels to drop.

(Renee Slaughter) #19

So frustrating.

(Samantha J Ross) #20

Is there anything else you can do besides a water fast if the problem is insulin resistance?