Frustrated!

(Katie the Quiche Scoffing Stick Ninja ) #21

You are correct, I did misread!

Good advice :slight_smile:

#22

The likely issue is you are eating too much fat. Try low carb, low fat and protein to satiety. You’ll be dropping body fat in no time.

(Erin Wilson) #23

I didn’t see you say whether or not you fast regularly. This has been KEY for me. I’m down 30 lbs since October 2017, with another 20 (probably) to go. Try to get to 2 or 3 36 hour fasts a week–this will force your body to dip into fat. I started by taking bone broth regularly, like Megan Ramos (from Dr Fung’s clinic) recommends. I can now easily fast 36-60 hours twice a week. I eat heartily on non-fasting days–like 2500-3000 calories a day.

It sounds like you are fat adapted, which should make this totally doable.

Some side benefits of my fasting: I’ve GAINED at least 3 lbs of lean muscle and my BMR is absolutely through the roof, at about 2500 calories per day. I am 100% positive that my success is due to the IFs.

(Jay AM) #24

I’m confused, are you here trying to sell a book or something? Offering advice completely counter to everything else on this forum is out of the blue. Please consider making a topic in one of the other forums that is suitable (we might actually have one about PSMF) with your studies and other information that supports your recommendations.

Meanwhile, the majority here does not recommend low fat, low carb, high protein to anyone still struggling with basic keto. We have too many success stories that involve lowering protein and upping fat to break stalls as well.

(Alec) #25

I disagree with this, and I think most folks here would as well. This is NOT keto, and should be considered with extreme caution.

(Ken) #26

There really is a lot of “overthinking” going on here. There is little to no chance your metabolism is slowing down unless you’re training regularly or extremely active. The signs of a Starvation Response do not include merely satiety and a weight plateau. You’d have significant energy balance issues as well. In the obese, it’s extremely rare or nonexistent. This is a good example of “Occam’s Razor” when the simplest answer is the most likely. You’re consuming too many calories.

If you do this, you’re about a year from your goal weight.

(Crystal Michelle) #27

You may find that it’s something simple, that your body requires more food. Keep it up girl… men suck :slight_smile: I swear my husband can say I’m not eating chips for a week and drop 15lbs hahahah

(Allie) #28

It could also be that your body is working on hidden healing that needs to be done before it can start burning fat. This is quite likely given how good you’re feeling now.

(Diana) #29

Lol my boyfriend gave up soda and bam 20 pounds gone lol

(Diana) #30

But I’m not eating anymore than 1400 cals a day at most. I’m 5’5 and 215

#31

Nope, just linking to a well cited post by a highly respected member of the nutrition community. One who I believe was even a 2KD guest.

Offering someone who is struggling advice to do more of the same isn’t the best kind of advice. The fact is that a person who is 60-lbs overweight can and usually is “high fat” without eating high fat. Hell, even Phinney makes this point. A lot of the people here are keto advocates because it worked for them, and that’s great. But there are a lot of people who don’t see results doing what you are defending, what about them? N=1 right? Why does the OP not deserve some ideas to explore?

#32

PSMF is safe, effective and DEFINITELY ketogenic. I’m confused about your fear mongering, care to defend your position?

(Alec) #33

Ketones come from burning fat. Protein raises insulin levels. High insulin prevents fat burning and hence ketone production.

I am not against new ideas, but high protein looks suspect to me, and in my opinion is not ketogenic.

(Ron) #34

@Rian- Trying to understand here. Ketogenic is the ability of the body to process ketones from fat sources as opposed to glucose from carbohydrate and protein sources if I am not mistaken. In order for this to be accomplished, the availability avenues to get this glucose from have to be reduced which will cause the body to seek alternative sources to produce energy. Upon finding this new source, that body will make adjustments (adaptation) necessary to efficiently operate this new process.
So if the body is able to find glucose in high levels of protein then how is this ketosis?

(Jay AM) #35

By your same argument, fuck keto. Let’s recommend low fat, high carb, moderate lean proteins. Or, how about being fruititarian. Oh wait…there’s a reason we don’t do that here. First off, this is the newbie section of the forum. Your advice isn’t newbie oriented at all. It widely conflicts with all other offered advice available in this forum. Some of us spend a lot of time working on questions people have as they struggle with keto. And, with the information we provide we can effectively help people get back on track successfully and feeling good. Your own topic on PSMF already has plenty of good reasons not to recommend it off hand to just any random person with the conversation you’ve had there. It’s clear you have something against what you deem “excess fats.” You think you’ve found the key to ending stalls with a protocol you follow. Yes, that is your n=1. Meanwhile, in this forum we have n=many for what is generally advised here. Including ending stalls. We already know from past studies that reducing any 1-2 of the macronutrients will result in some sort of weight change usually trending downward. So, of course PSMF might reduce weight on some level. That doesn’t make it sustainable or recommended for everyone.

(Candy Lind) #36

Allie is right. CICO is bullshit. I was losing almost nothing at 260 pounds and eating under 1200 calories. I increased to 1300 - WHOOSH. When I stopped losing again (around 240), I increased my calories again and WHOOSH. My metabolism is improving; I’m currently 230; I eat 1300-1500 consistently and while not losing, I’m not gaining either. This is what the experts mean when they say you have to eat enough to overcome your insulin resistance barrier. I’m adding in some extended fasting now to get the scales moving again.

I feel blessed to have found out how to lose and not be constantly hungry. I don’t care if it comes off slowly, as long as I don’t have to starve. It’s all about beating back the insulin, and then finding what works for YOUR N=1. Don’t give up hope, and don’t blame it on your BF - I hope he’s in your corner! :heart_eyes:

#37

The body does no such thing. You might find this interesting:

#38

We? You can offer any advice you want. What you can’t do is censor someone else. You can (and obviously do) disagree with what I’m saying but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong or that it’s not something the OP might want to consider. That is ultimately the decision of the OP. If you want to decide for her because what I’m saying is not “newbie” enough then perhaps you should send her a PM with a warning to ignore unconventional ideas shared on this forum. You seem proud of the work you do here and I’m sure you have helped many people as I know I have. Perhaps we speak to different audiences but that is the beauty of the Internet forum after all.

(Katie) #39

Sorry to here your frustrations! I’ve had a similar situation, although not as extreme, my husband has lost three times more than me. Although I’m proud of him, it’s hard not to be a little jealous so I understand where you’re coming from.
Sounds like you’re tracking macros and keeping your calories in check as well as drink lots of water, so I think it’s unusual that you haven’t lost any weight over such a long period of time. Have you tried using ketone test strips to ensure you are actually in ketosis? The only other thing I can think of that hasn’t been mentioned is possibly checking with a doctor. Thyroid problems are common in women and can make it difficult to lose weight so it might be worth getting checked out just to be on the safe side.
Best of luck!

(Jay AM) #40

The problem with ketone test strips is they don’t actually say whether someone is in ketosis or not. They only show wasted ketones. We don’t want to waste ketones, we want to use them. They were made for diabetics with high blood sugar levels who definitely were not in ketosis to check for ketoacidosis. I’m not sure when or who decided that they were useful for testing ketosis but, that individual needs a slap with a steak for spreading the rumor.