Feels like I’m dying after four days trying carnivore

(Omar) #151

what form of energy?
glucose or ketones ?

sorry I am not usually argumentative but I am trying to understand

(mole person) #152

I’d love to have a look at this if you have a link.

I’d be very interested in a link to this as well.

(mole person) #153

The short answer is both. Some amino acids get converted into ketones, some into glucose, and yet others can be converted into both depending on the bodies requirements.

What’s interesting about this is that if you eat excessive protein you might still show blood ketones EVEN if you are in fat storage mode.

I have much better and in depth resources on my PC at home, but for now I can only link this:

Never worry about appearing argumentative when just asking for more information!

Excess Protein Discussion
(Omar) #154

thank you llana

I will try to read as this is something new to me

thanks

(Empress of the Unexpected) #155

Also different types of meats have different amino acid ratios.

(Chris) #156

I’d really like to continue this discussion as well - I’m super interested in this. I created a separate thread though so that we’re not “derailing” OP’s thread here. Interested?

(mole person) #157

Yes… wonderful idea.

(*Tame Those Ghrelin Gremlins) #158

I thought that it was a myth, I was sure something I read said that too much protein does not automatically kick you out of Ketosis. Hmmm information overload.

(Chris) #159

It doesn’t kick you out of ketosis but may have implications on fat burning. Read a few posts above yours.

(Crow T. Robot) #160

Just to be clear. I didn’t ask RobC to stop posting. I said that he had made his point clear that ‘carnivore is unproven and shouldn’t be tried until we know it’s safe’, and that he didn’t need to keep repeating it. I never said he couldn’t post in this thread or share his point of view.

That said, I think it is a breach of netiquette to crash someone else’s thread and critique something that they are doing. You might think you’re helping, but if they say, “no thanks”, which the OP did, you should respect their wishes.

Peace

#161

Yea anyways can some one answer my question above please

(Kiranjeet Bhabra) #162

Ur tuna beef mix recipe sounds good…mayb u can switch to some pork…pork chops :smile:
Salmon with.garlic butter…

(squirrel-kissing paper tamer) #164

Snacking is ok in the beginning but the goal is to eat enough at mealtime that you don’t want to snack in between. Until you are ready, pork rinds, broth, precooked bacon out of the fridge, cheese if you’re eating it, hard boiled eggs, cold meat balls, deli meat with cream cheese (if you’re having cheese).

(Omar) #165

thanks for reminding me about ground meat ball

My only snacks have been cheddar cheese and HWC.

(James) #166

It took me about 2 weeks to feel really good on carnivore. My sugar cravings are almost non-existent now. I too, had brain fog w/pressure, fatigue and a little nausea. Now farther into it, I have never felt better! I eat twice a day. Two pretty large meals. One at work(1:00pm). Then I eat after the gym(7:00pm). I stay satiated and don’t crave any snacks in between now either. Since Jan 1, I’m down over 10lbs on the scale. Granted I’m more focused on dropping BF% eating this way. The weight loss feels great on my knees and feet.

(James) #167

In my experience lately, if I do start to feel lethargic, I try to eat anything that’s available with a high protein and fat content. I usually feel almost instantly better. Make sure you’re getting enough salt as well.

(8 year Ketogenic Veteran) #168

TL;DR
I’m assuming somebody talked about how useless these are? When we are well adapted they might not show ketones at all. The very beginning, the first couple of weeks if there’s any color at all that means you’re making ketones and so you are in ketosis. But that’s the only thing they’re good for. The shade of color means nothing btw.

#169

Thanks everyone all the comments have been very helpful

(Bob M) #170

I’ll counter that protein article with this one:

I think it’s much more complex than some proteins = glucose. I’ve tested my blood sugar using a continuous glucose monitor with ridiculously high proteins, 120+ grams/meal, 160 grams a meal, etc. and did not get a rise. And I set out specifically to get a rise.

(mole person) #171

That misses the point of what I posted. My whole point was that amino acids get converted to energy WITHOUT needing to be turned into glucose first. Further, the article you just linked says the very same thing:

“Since amino acids can not be stored in the body for later use, any amino acid not required for immediate biosynthetic needs is deaminated [nitrogen is removed] and the carbon skeleton is used as metabolic fuel (10-20 % in normal conditions) or converted into fatty acids via acetyl CoA. The main products of the catabolism of the carbon skeleton of the amino acids are pyruvate, oxaloacetate, α-ketoglutarate, succinyl CoA, fumarate, acetyl CoA and acetoacetyl CoA.” (H.D. Urquiza Hernandez, MD, PhD)

From the list above, oxaloacetate, α-ketoglutarate, succinyl CoA, fumarate, and acetyl CoA can all feed into the Krebs cycle, which is the process by which ATP (energy) is generated in the mitochondria. (In biochem speak, they are called “Krebs cycle intermediates.”) The carbon atoms from amino acids can be converted into these “energy precursors,” and the nitrogen atoms can be turned into urea (a waste product) and excreted