Encountering resistance from clients due to doctor advice

(Frank) #3

Just an idea but maybe you could somehow utilize that 5% of clients that listen to encourage the others that are hesitant. With their approval of course. I myself have considered starting an informal keto support group for interested folks.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #4

You could try pointing them to the Diet Doctor site, but of course they’d have to be able to read either Swedish or English. . . .

(Seth Lusk) #5

English is not a problem for my clients as I am American and speak with them in English mostly. Most Swiss people speak English quite well as they usually start learning English around the age of 8-10 in school.

(Mike W.) #6

You can lead a horse to water…

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #7

. . . but you cannot make it think. :rofl:

(Mike W.) #8

Or do what it doesn’t want to do :wink:

(Cindy) #9

It can be difficult to go against a doctor’s advice, even when it feels (or is flat out) wrong. They’re supposed to be more informed and better trained to treat people, even though that’s sometimes not true.

I’ve always been a cynic when it comes to doctors. My education is in biology, chemistry, biochemistry and molecular genetics, so I’m more than willing to do research and make my own informed decisions. But sometimes, it’s a struggle even for me. I once started down a rabbit trail (per doctor’s advice) because an xray show a nodule in my lungs. Without going into too much detail, after a bronchoscopy, repeat CT scans, over $2000 worth of cultures, everything was fine. I’d told my doctor all along that it was nothing, but he wouldn’t listen. He eventually prescribed 60 days of a strong antibiotic. After 6 weeks, I had a follow up with him that went sort of like this:

Dr: Glad to see that the antibiotics worked. Your CT scan is clear this time.
Me: No, the antibiotics didn’t work.
Dr: Of course, they did, the abscess is gone.
Me: No, it wasn’t the antibiotics.
Dr: How can you say that? They obviously worked.
Me: I know they didn’t work because I didn’t TAKE them.

He was at least gracious enough to then say “Well, I’m glad you proved me wrong and this wasn’t something to worry about.” sheesh Of course, that was AFTER quite a bit of medical expense and time.

So try not to feel too frustrated when your clients won’t listen.

(Terence Dean) #10

I think what you’re doing is great but as others say its difficult to convince people about the benefits of keto unless they can see it. Just today I visited my hair-dresser and he was absolutely raving about how much weight I had lost. So much in fact, that a few of his clients wanted to know how I managed to lose 35 kilos in 7 months, so I told them to google one word, “Ketogenics”. They’d never heard of it.

These guys all had pot belly’s and they were busy writing it down. Job done for today. :rofl:

(Seth Lusk) #11

I’ve shown them my progress pictures (although weight loss was never an issue for me)… They can clearly see how much healthier I am now than I was a year ago…
They will even comment on the fact that they can’t believe that I changed my body that much in less than a year… Still…they are waiting for me to drop dead of a heart attack… :unamused:

(Running from stupidity) #12

Prove them wrong by continuing to live, I guess.

(Seth Lusk) #13

Lol… Yeah… The question is… How long do I have to live and keep getting healthier and healthier before they stop thinking that the oil and butter that I eat is going to give me a heart attack? Will they even still be working with me at that point?.. It’s a bit frustrating.

(You've tried everything else; why not try bacon?) #14

You can’t win.

Take Jimmy Moore—when he was at his thinnest, people would comment on his videos, “But he’s so thin, what could he possibly know about losing weight?” And now that he’s gained some of the weight back, they’ve switched to, “But he’s so fat, what could he possibly know about losing weight?” They don’t see where he started, so they have no conception of what he’s been through and could tell them about.

Stop worrying about it, if you can. There’s an old Zen saying to the effect that “When the student is ready, you can’t say the wrong thing. Until then, you can’t say the right thing.” Try to relax and laugh; trust me, it does help.

(Omar) #15

unfortunately we can not convince our own children or even a spouse let alone strangers.

#16

Work with the ones you can. Do the very best job on them you can, and let that be your advertising. When it comes to weight loss and fitness, you will always have your critics who will never ‘come around’. But the ones who are on the fence, can be persuaded by seeing results for themselves (on other people).

KCKO

(Bunny) #17

Maybe create your own research paper with references and in-house* (if any) research to hand-out in pamphlet form (one page) to people (link to your research, your own progress experience; experience with clients etc.) and even business cards explaining the LCHF Ketogenic diet in smalll sentences or quick attention grabbing captions etc. ???

*Example References:
Sweden Becomes First Western Nation to Reject Low-fat Diet Dogma in Favor of Low-carb High-fat Nutrition

Keto Dudes created a wonderful thread about this here: Business Cards and Pamphlets (graphics and links only, please)

Example For Business Cards:

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Contrast your message with some really hard hitting cross-validated empirical science?

(Running from stupidity) #18

Those cards could use a little work…

(Bob M) #19

If you want some simple graphics, go to Ted Naiman’s site, like this:

(Laurie) #20

As a former teacher, I know the frustration of realizing that most of my students “aren’t interested in learning what I can teach them.” They have their own agendas and their own reasons for coming to you.

As a former business owner, I encourage you to keep going in the direction you want to go. Eventually you will be able to “fire” clients who won’t follow your advice, and accept only clients who want what you have to offer. Those who do want it will seek you out and pay a premium for your specialized service. Because you need to eat in the meantime, it might be a couple of years before you can reach this goal. But you can start weeding out the worst ones now, or put a time limit on how long you’ll spend with them. Spend more time marketing to the clients you want. Maybe some YouTube videos, some free info sessions at local events, etc.–whatever suits your needs, personality, and resources. Good luck!

("Don't call it calories, call it food") #21

Carl and Richard suggest doing mini-ketofests in your house. Invite a few people, perhaps one who can speak on topic related to keto, serve yummy keto food and begin to build a community. Sometimes it is easier to switch when you feel as if you aren’t going to be all alone.

(Seth Lusk) #22

I myself can speak on the topic as I am a nutrition counselor and know a lot about the topic and the human body as it relates to nutrition. I cannot have my clients over for dinner in my apartment though. Here in Switzerland that would be considered weird and inappropriate. I do speak to them about the ketogenic diet when the topic comes up about eating habits.